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10-21-2011, 08:29 AM | #155 |
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Actually the e82 is based on the E81, which is a five door hatchback. In fact it shares more with the E81 than the E92 does with the E90, including the entire front end.
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F30 3 Series sedan F31 3 Series touring F34 3 Series GT F32 4 Series coupe F33 4 Series convertible F35 4 Series Gran Coupe F80 M3 sedan F81 M3 touring (j/k not happening ![]() F82 M4 coupe F83 M4 convertible F85 M4 Gran Coupe But what about the 3 Series Li for China? That makes eleven, no?
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F81, F81, F81, F81
C'mon wagon lovers, chant it with me, lets make this happen! Oh wait, this thread is about the coupe, meh, I used to like coupes when I was 16. They are impractical as an adult. I like to scare the shit out of my passengers while they are in the comfort of a sedan...
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10-21-2011, 10:46 AM | #162 |
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My guess on why there will be a gran coupe version of the 4er is because the 6 has already been announced having a gran coupe vers. The 4er, in my opinion, will follow the same marketing strategy as the 6er. 4 -> smaller 6 in all respects. 3er is in fact very similiar in styling to 5. Expect the same lines, and tail lights in the 4er that are currently on the 6. SPECULATION.
"I like the look of the 6er gran coupe but the price is out of my reach; oh, look, they make a 4er gran coupe"
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10-21-2011, 10:51 AM | #163 |
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E92 looks nothing like E90. It's not a "stretched out" version of its sedan brother. The cars differ in height/length/width, sheet metal, contours, and more. Additionally, when the E92 debuted, it had different rim choices, trim, and front and rear light assemblies that E90 owners were clamoring for (daytime halos, no mustache, no raccoon eyes, no over-sized oldsmobile taillights, etc)... of course i'm biased, but I think it's a more refined and elegant design ... much sexier and sleeker. Sure, some may just not like the E92, but I think a lot of E90 owners rationalize their dislike for it because the E90 was their choice for practical purposes (needing 4-doors) or they were impatient and couldn't wait for the release.
I'm talking pre-LCI here ... I actually lean towards LCI E90 over LCI E92. JMHO.
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As for the Touring models. It is not well known that BMW were not expecting the M5 Touring to match the sedan in sales. It was conceived as purely the businessman's weekend toy for when he goes Golfing , takes rubbish to the recycling center or buys furniture etc... But fast. It was about implementing a model quickly in the advance of the Powerful SUV's from Mercedes-Benz and Porsche. X5M and X6M did not exist at this point. It is a wait and see process but the stop-gap for European customers will be the M550d Touring. But new M boss is a fan of fast wagons so dont give up hope yet.
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really? i think everything behind the rear window is just terrible
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I believe it is marketing, however, not in the sense that a stripper 3er will be below a stripper 4er. I think the change is directed at people who don't understand the chassis nomenclature. E90, E91, E92, E93, get divided into a simpler to grasp 3 and 4. The names were beginning to get ridiculously long too.
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Out of curiosity, how many hate the "4-Series" nomenclature so much that they're willing to de-badge and slap on a 3-Series badge and pretend the 4-Series doesn't exist?
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I don't see how using camo stops others from copying a design. It's not like all of a sudden a car maker will change their design direction to go with a non camo BMW. It's not like Audi will change their A4 or MB their C class to then look like a 3. An auto maker in this class of car isn't looking to copy a design. They want their own look. The camo may serve to create talking points, but it also serves to create negative talking points, much like what is seen here, and has happened many many times in the past. To me, it serves no positive value. |
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10-21-2011, 02:59 PM | #171 |
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the profile looks like it's got the A5's rear deck lid down the length on the built in spoiler and short overhang
...that's actually a good thing
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I do not like the brake lights in that render. |
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But, I don't agree that the camo is done to actually MAKE you hate it, so that the customer is later wow'd at the finished look. It's an interesting perspective, but I don't agree that that's why the camo is there. The camo on the new 1 series hatchback didn't make me hate it or like it. It looked very much like the previous model. With the camo off I still don't like it and wasn't wow'd by it, other than I thought, "Wow, I still don't like it." ![]() I have now accepted the new headlights. I don't think they're great, but they're ok/acceptable. This camo'd car does not look like a Mustang or Altima to me, not at all, and I don't get why many see it that way. It's a coupe profile, so it will share similarities. But, overall the camo'd profile still looks like a BMW 3 coupe to me. As someone else stated, if that's the new Mustang then it's a much sleeker Mustang. |
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You are all wrong. This is the Chinese stretched model also called the L as in 550iL 750iL... Chinese not particularily talll people anyway never really figured out why they need those special stretched versions of the standard cars we get here? Oy its complicated. But yeah if the nose looks anything like the new 3 eh z4, and this thing is that long, am exiting stage left!
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![]() But, using public comments could lead to some trends that appeal to a wider audience. You can't change every little thing to please everything, true. Yet, it might be a valuable source of information. After all, most auto companies do use non employee and employee customer opinion committees to test things, to see if they are viable in use and design. It's likely that this design has already had a group of people commenting on aspects of the car and it's design. My basic point is that this cars overall design is pretty much done. At this stage, these camo'd tests are testing drive trains and suspension tuning, and other interior switch gear, etc... This is not initial stage design. It's end stage. So, the actual design is probably 90-99% finished. Some changes may be made if some of the design DETAIL/small things, aren't working out. That's why I'm not a fan of the camo. If this were some early stage exterior design testing, it probably wouldn't be on the road. |
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