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      02-02-2012, 08:07 PM   #45
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1:18 ?

Please someone tell me I'm nuts but did Bill A. do a 1:18 lap? It sure looked like it. That's impossible.

Jeff Tyler in a Time Attack prepped E92 335 with full track setup did a 1:41 something. Max Angelelli? did a 1:49 in the previous stock 335 in 2006/2007. Something seems fishy here.
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Please someone tell me I'm nuts but did Bill A. do a 1:18 lap? It sure looked like it. That's impossible.

Jeff Tyler in a Time Attack prepped E92 335 with full track setup did a 1:41 something. Max Angelelli? did a 1:49 in the previous stock 335 in 2006/2007. Something seems fishy here.
it is not a continuous footage...
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When I first heard the 328, I was like "man, this car sounds great!", but then I heard that N55... Just WOW! Inline 6 FTW!
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Here's a fun fact.

Let's say you love the 335i but are afraid of the cost compared to the cheaper 328i. Also, let's say you like having a moonroof, xenons, etc. Well, once you add the packages that allow you to have the same goodies that the 335i has as standard, well, you are now only 1-2K below the 335i in price.

So, if you really like the sound of the I6 and you enjoy xenons, surely you can say that the N55 engine is worth 1-2K.
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Wow! Almost regretting not getting a manual transmission.
Almost? Whatever. The fact that you took the time to type that means you miss the stick.
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335 looked pretty impressive. So now for the real question: F30 335 OR E90 M3???
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Wow! Almost regretting not getting a manual transmission.
I am glad my ED order is with the proper transmission :P 6MT

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When I first heard the 328, I was like "man, this car sounds great!", but then I heard that N55... Just WOW! Inline 6 FTW!
I am glad my ED order is with the proper engine :P I-6


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Here's a fun fact.

Let's say you love the 335i but are afraid of the cost compared to the cheaper 328i. Also, let's say you like having a moonroof, xenons, etc. Well, once you add the packages that allow you to have the same goodies that the 335i has as standard, well, you are now only 1-2K below the 335i in price.

So, if you really like the sound of the I6 and you enjoy xenons, surely you can say that the N55 engine is worth 1-2K.
Moonroof ... check
split fold-down rear seats ... check
MT ... check
xenon + new square angel eyes ... check
335i ... check

I am good to go
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Let's say you love the 335i but are afraid of the cost compared to the cheaper 328i. Also, let's say you like having a moonroof, xenons, etc. Well, once you add the packages that allow you to have the same goodies that the 335i has as standard, well, you are now only 1-2K below the 335i in price.
Mine is a $3K difference with Sport line, Premium and Xenons. I do prefer the sound of the 335i, but I'm not hearing the night and day difference as some people are saying. The 335i definitely had more volume, not sure if that was the engine or the video.
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335 looked pretty impressive. So now for the real question: F30 335 OR E90 M3???
M3 for sure. Or wait for the next generation M.
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both videos were awesome, i love watching these in car track vids, i wish there was a picture in picture screen for their clutch/shift work as well tho!
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Almost? Whatever. The fact that you took the time to type that means you miss the stick.



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335 looked pretty impressive. So now for the real question: F30 335 OR E90 M3???
Well I had a E90 M3 from 2008-2010. So I'd say: 100% the F30 335i 6MT.

If there is one car which is overrated in my country(price/specs) versus the 335i E90 N54 335i I came from back then, it's a 6MT E90 M3. I don't do trackdays every day of the week.....
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Here's a fun fact.

Let's say you love the 335i but are afraid of the cost compared to the cheaper 328i. Also, let's say you like having a moonroof, xenons, etc. Well, once you add the packages that allow you to have the same goodies that the 335i has as standard, well, you are now only 1-2K below the 335i in price.

So, if you really like the sound of the I6 and you enjoy xenons, surely you can say that the N55 engine is worth 1-2K.

I don't understand why BMW NA prices cars on top of other models that they make...


Loved both videos, especially Joey Hand.


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Almost? Whatever. The fact that you took the time to type that means you miss the stick.
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The N20 is good, but the N55 is phenomenal.
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Jason, did you by any chance get to ride with Bill in the M3? If so did you get a video? I'd love to see those guys flying around Laguna Seca in an E9x M3!
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Having had an E92 335 for 5 years now, I have to say that I was taken by Joey Hand's saying the 328 is noticeably sharper and more agile than the 335. Makes sense given that the weight difference is now almost 200 lb. This is leading me to think that there's an F32 with the 2L turbo in my future. I love my N54, warts and all. But given the lure of better mileage, more agile feel, lower cost, and lighter weight, the 4 pot is making more sense than ever for a new car. I love the sheer power of my car, but have to admit I almost never use it. And it's most likely that the coupe will already have the things I need like standard Xenons, sport suspension, etc. Looking good. Now for a preliminary test drive of the sedan and some serious financial planning.
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Having had an E92 335 for 5 years now, I have to say that I was taken by Joey Hand's saying the 328 is noticeably sharper and more agile than the 335. Makes sense given that the weight difference is now almost 200 lb. This is leading me to think that there's an F32 with the 2L turbo in my future. I love my N54, warts and all. But given the lure of better mileage, more agile feel, lower cost, and lighter weight, the 4 pot is making more sense than ever for a new car. I love the sheer power of my car, but have to admit I almost never use it. And it's most likely that the coupe will already have the things I need like standard Xenons, sport suspension, etc. Looking good. Now for a preliminary test drive of the sedan and some serious financial planning.
The difference between a 328i A and a 335i 6MT in the US specs sheet is 50kgs(110lbs) , sure the 328 HAS TO BE a tiny bit more agile because of less weight in front. Fair enough. But tbh: I had a 335i N54 before the M3 V8. And the N54 weighs seriously less than a M3 V8(despite the markeing bs they tell you, just like Joey Hand is telling you what YOU want to hear) , but a M3 V8 still felt 'sharp' also due to it's M chassis layout etc.

On the other hand, tried a 1//M and the E90 M3 felt like a boat.(N54 ftw LOL)

We don't want to have much weight up front, but we also want power and a good sound, don't we?

(BMW is trying to get their weightbalance 50/50, better take a look at Corvette or the Ferrari 599 for that matter....)
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Almost? Whatever. The fact that you took the time to type that means you miss the stick.
Yeah, I'd miss the manual right up until I was stuck in Dallas traffic for two hours.
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The difference between a 328i A and a 335i 6MT in the US specs sheet is 50kgs(110lbs) , sure the 328 HAS TO BE a tiny bit more agile because of less weight in front. Fair enough.
Come on. Let's not compare apples to oranges. How many people would be making the choice between a 328i A and a 335 MT? If anything, it would be the opposite. Comparing the cars with the same transmission gives you a differential of 165lb, not unsubstantial. And your characterization of the 328 being "a tiny bit more agile" is not what I picked up from the video. If that was the case, I don't think he would have mentioned it.

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We don't want to have much weight up front, but we also want power and a good sound, don't we?
It's what I like to call "a tradeoff of priorities". It's the reason why BMW makes both models.



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Come on. Let's not compare apples to oranges. How many people would be making the choice between a 328i A and a 335 MT? If anything, it would be the opposite. Comparing the cars with the same transmission gives you a differential of 165lb, not unsubstantial. And your characterization of the 328 being "a tiny bit more agile" is not what I picked up from the video. If that was the case, I don't think he would have mentioned it.



It's what I like to call "a tradeoff of priorities". It's the reason why BMW makes both models.



???????
OK. But 165lbs is not 200lbs and that's what you were saying more or less.

Fact is, the whole F30 is not as light as BMW wants us to believe, both 328 and 335.....

And Joey Hand is a BMW ambassador 100% pur sang, mentioning the thing YOU(and others) want to hear.No worries. Call it marketing...
Just like the last few months there were ONLY 328s and 320ds for car journalists to testdrive and(almost) no 335i. Just think about it.

Corvette and the 599 have a 'mid front engine' layout so to speak. The best layout/design after a mid mid engine design like a Boxster or many Ferraris have. But I know BMW is a middle of the road luxury brand, not exotic and pricey enough. I'm happy it still is rwd, thank God


EDIT: according to this sheet(somewhere else on this forum) the difference between a 328i A and a 335i A is 60kgs(132.3 lbs)

That's not 165 or 200lbs, neither it is 110lbs but it's not far what I mentioned before...fwiw. Sorry.

And both the MT's have the 165lbs difference. I think the autobox will be more popular atm, but I'm not sure....



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Mine is a $3K difference with Sport line, Premium and Xenons. I do prefer the sound of the 335i, but I'm not hearing the night and day difference as some people are saying. The 335i definitely had more volume, not sure if that was the engine or the video.
Yeah, after I typed that, it turns out to be closer to 3K (about 2.5+K). Still though, you would think that there would be a wider margin.
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Yeah, I'd miss the manual right up until I was stuck in Dallas traffic for two hours.
Good point.
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i watched the 328 first and thought "wow no need for a 335" ...but then I watched the 335 video The sound is awesome.

My thoughts exactly.
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