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Respecting the person's choice? You have the choice to push the off button. What about the choice of parents wanting a better and cleaner world for their kids? What about this person's choice about wanted less dependance on foreign oil. We really are becoming a bunch of spoiled shits. We crap on our planet and don't care. Our cars are much faster than those 20 years ago.....10 years ago....even 5 years ago and yet economy really hasn't improved at the same pace. There are CAFE standard in the US and BMW is working hard to meet those upcoming standards. Global warming is real. That is an unequivocal fact. The question is how much we are adding to it and how much of it is a natural warming/cooling cycle. It is prudent to preserve our resources and work to keep our planet in better condition, for ourselves and our kids. This doesn't mean that you have to buy a Prius or a Nissan Leaf but having A.S.S as standard and trying to get people to use it is a good thing. Every little bit helps.
And the "it's my money" argument is as lame as it gets. By that methodology, the rich shouldn't have to follow any rules because, hey, it's their money and they should be able to do whatever they want. Sad.
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04-14-2012, 10:23 AM | #113 |
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This topic is surely highlighting there are very different viewpoints around 'eco' technology.
Surely we are ALL conscious that burning fuel pollutes, so any saving is better for our health, and the health of others. Folks are literally gasping for breath in some environments and the poisons from combustion are not helping at all. So just to do our little part, if it helps just a few to live a better quality of life, surely it is our responsibility to engage with. I'm a car enthusiast and love driving, but to move from an I6 to a smaller engine with added eco credentials is a very small sacrifice, compared to the real issues of using up more fuel than necessary. And we chatter on about a switch, being set to the 'wrong' default. HighlandPete |
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04-14-2012, 10:29 AM | #115 |
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Yes, it seems like the conversation is existential, but in reality, it's the core of the argument. Can people put aside their petty selfishness to understand that Efficient Dynamics is not only part of saving us money, but also part of 'doing the right thing'. This conversation has illustrated the exact reason that BMW hasn't allowed this setting to be switched off by default: there are still a lot of people that don't give a $hit about the bigger picture, and if you make them push a button to disable something...maybe, just maybe, they'll forget out of laziness and realize that the Auto Stop/Start feature isn't that big of a deal after-all.....and that only helps everyone. Flame on, but that's my $.02.
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i'd have zero problem with having start stop on by default if it werent for the fact that there have been quite a few reports of it not performing very well.
unless the tech functions at 100%, i'd prefer the option to have it off by default. otherwise, i'm all for efficiency and would have no problem using the tech. |
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Y'all should turn in your efficient dynamics vehicle in for a bicycle. I mean really. Do you have any understanding on how much pollution was created at the hands of your so called "efficient" BMW 4 banger? If you really mean what you say, then turn in your keys and go get a bike helmet. Of course, don't pedal too hard our your body might pollute the earth with excess carbon dioxide. We are all consumers and we are all polluters. We should all do our best to reduce pollution. But, to sit here and tell me that you are better than I am because your dinky 4 banger shuts off at a stoplight for a few seconds is nothing less than hypocritical. Use of the start stop function most probably moves the issue to another area. Higher maintenance and less engine life. You don't think our forefathers that developed engines in the 1960 and 1970s could not have come up with that crappy idea to power off the engine at every red light? ASS is what you get when you run out of ideas and you want to appease the hypocrites. Either give up your oil burning ways altogether or shut up. Think of all the coal burning going on to power the global Internet and that by you earth worms not posting this crap how much fuel we will save! |
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04-14-2012, 11:10 AM | #120 | |
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I have no problem with it shutting down for the 2-3 minute stop you mentioned, but the shutdowns for the shorter stops don't seem very productive. I'll give you an example. My house is two homes down from an intersection with a stop sign on my side. So yesterday morning (50 degrees) I start the car, back out of the driveway and drive about 60 feet to the stop sign to make my right turn. Bang. ASS shuts down the engine. I let off the brake and immediately make my turn and drive off. I was not stopped more than two seconds tops as there was no cross traffic. This scenario can't possibly have saved one drop of fuel and is needless wear on components. Plus the car was still cold and I was cold. I think the ASS parameters need a little refining. |
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1) To whether Global warming is real, only ignorant people who can't look up simple data think that it's not. Go to any research site that shows average temperatures over the year. It is also fact that as the temperature warms, storms get more severe. Some scientists faked some information about how bad it was and how bad it was going to get. What I said was "Global warming is real. That is an unequivocal fact. The question is how much we are adding to it and how much of it is a natural warming/cooling cycle." I don't know if we are causing the warming but we can at least try to no add to it. If being educated and informed about the subject makes me an earth worm, then what does that make you? A slug? 2) Your bicycle and hypocrite comments further show that you're an idiot. I said "It is prudent to preserve our resources and work to keep our planet in better condition, for ourselves and our kids. This doesn't mean that you have to buy a Prius or a Nissan Leaf but having A.S.S as standard and trying to get people to use it is a good thing. Every little bit helps." I didn't say that i was better than you. I didn't say that you had to use ASS but i did say it should be there. 3) You are the ultimate hypocrite by claiming that it's your money and you should be able to spend (waste it however you want and then to saying " We should all do our best to reduce pollution." Maybe you don't understand that even if ASS saves 10 gallons of gas per year time 200,000 cars = 2 million gallons. Add to that the gas saved by using the turbo 4 vs. the 6, the low rolling resistance tires, etc and you are looking at millions of gallons. I just don't see how that's a bad thing. You whole complaint is based on pressing a button.....once....when you get into your car. How many times do you change your radio station...or make a phone call......or use your freakin blinker. I mean come on.
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It's the same with recycling. Every house should be given a recycling bin and encouraged to use it. They should not however be forced to use it.
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![]() ![]() It's this sort of arrogant, angry reasoning (or lack of) that had most of Europe laughing at George Bush Jr and his neocon mates while they were in power, and why most of us still laugh at Fox News. Last edited by Feanor; 04-14-2012 at 01:17 PM.. |
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Just one more question, are you good with the people who want to default it "Off", or do you insist that they have to turn it "Off" every time? It stand to reason, if you're good with me not using it, then you can't possibly object to it remaining "Off', right? |
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Absolutely. Except for those half wits that open their boiled eggs at the pointy end.
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I think stop sign recognition is a genius idea - the system is basically already there, so I imagine that it would only need some programming changes. Last edited by Feanor; 04-14-2012 at 04:03 PM.. |
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That could possibly work as well, but then you might also create the problem for people who actually stop for 5 seconds and can drive again, I mean, there's no real end then =)
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