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      05-15-2012, 03:02 PM   #67
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I thought I read somewhere that the M-SPORT will have a M short shifter for the manuals? Or was that for European models?
oh ya good point, i rem reading that too. maybe its just a shorter knob. judging by the way BMW is packaging stuff, an actual short shifter would never happen and if it did youd have to pay them ur first born child to get it.
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Hmm, interesting.

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If my math and my assumptions are correct, the M-Sport option for the 335i will cost $1500 more than the Sport Line -- $3200 for the M-Sport package, less the cost of the Sport Line over the base of $1700. Anybody have any other thoughts?
Bingo, that's what I have been thinking too. Since I no longer need to spend an extra $900 on 19" wheels to get 255mm tires in the rear, I can get the 255" tires I want on standard 18" wheels at no extra charge with the M-sport package. So this package will end up costing me only an extra $600 over what I would have spent anyway. This becomes a no brainer for me.

Another benefit of the new model year is that the M-sport suspension and variable sport sterring separately were $900 and $300 last year, and are $1,000 as part of the new "dynamic driving package" this year. Another $200 off for us that want the best suspension/steering options.

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BMW would have to sell roughly 160,000 less cars annually in North America to become Audi.
Keep in mind Audi does cannibalize some of its own market with the Passat and CC.
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      05-15-2012, 08:14 PM   #71
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Keep in mind Audi does cannibalize some of its own market with the Passat and CC.
Audi also refuses to incentivize leases on S-line/model cars (S4, S5, etc.). This hurts them badly. I think something like 75% of North American BMW customers lease.
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      05-16-2012, 11:30 AM   #72
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Audi also refuses to incentivize leases on S-line/model cars (S4, S5, etc.). This hurts them badly. I think something like 75% of North American BMW customers lease.
I was looking at a 2012 A6. 10K/year residual on a 36 month lease is 48%. A 3-series residual on the same term is 64%. The Audi lease economics make little sense at that level when compared to the BMW lease.
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      05-16-2012, 11:39 AM   #73
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Craaaaaap. No 6spd manual with the 328 + xDrive sedan. Makes me VERY nervous that you won't be able to buy a 6spd xDrive touring at all (as the touring does not exist in 335 guise, and they haven't announced which engines they're bringing to the US in the F31.. 328, 320d and 330d for europe).
Yes. First the steering. Then this. BMW is becoming Audi, unfortunately.
Or rather, BMW and Audi are both selling to the same North American market and coming to the same conclusions.

I would buy an F31, N55, xDrive, 6MT in an instant. Me and about twelve other people.
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      05-16-2012, 12:47 PM   #74
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I thought I read somewhere that the M-SPORT will have a M short shifter for the manuals? Or was that for European models?
I believe that the "short shifter" you are referring to is the revised manual that any 3 with a MT will get. IOW, ALL MT cars will have the revised manual trans that has a shortened shifter.
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Am I correct in saying that there are only four leather choices for the M-Sport PKG? I'm getting kinda tried of black leather. Wanted saddle brown. But all I see for the ZMM is coral red (too loud) or black (without the red/blue piping?).
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Am I correct in saying that there are only four leather choices for the M-Sport PKG? I'm getting kinda tried of black leather. Wanted saddle brown. But all I see for the ZMM is coral red (too loud) or black (without the red/blue piping?).
Black, Tan, and Coral Red are the only options. Saddle Brown and Everest Grey are not available with ZMM.
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I believe that the "short shifter" you are referring to is the revised manual that any 3 with a MT will get. IOW, ALL MT cars will have the revised manual trans that has a shortened shifter.
Are you sure?
the M Sport package includes the M leather steering wheel with multifunction including short-shifter gear lever (for manual transmission) in soft leather nappa with M emblem and sports seats.

That is from the description of the M Sport on BMW.com. There is no mention of a short shifter for the Sport Line.

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Am I correct in saying that there are only four leather choices for the M-Sport PKG? I'm getting kinda tried of black leather. Wanted saddle brown. But all I see for the ZMM is coral red (too loud) or black (without the red/blue piping?).

In the same boat! Probably will go for tan. Just quite bored of the all black interior.
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In the same boat! Probably will go for tan. Just quite bored of the all black interior.
At least we're not forced to have leather this time. I'm getting leatherette.
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At least we're not forced to have leather this time. I'm getting leatherette.
Yeah, but don't you HAVE to get leather (LC or ZPP) if you want the Cold Wx Package (ZCW)? Or am I missing something?
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Yeah, but don't you HAVE to get leather (LC or ZPP) if you want the Cold Wx Package (ZCW)? Or am I missing something?
I am just looking at page 5 of the Pricing Guide and I see KCSW as standard. Of course if you opt to get the Premium package then you'll tack on the Dakota leather. But I can unlock my car just fine and can always sign up for Satellite radio later on.
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I am just looking at page 5 of the Pricing Guide and I see KCSW as standard. Of course if you opt to get the Premium package then you'll tack on the Dakota leather. But I can unlock my car just fine and can always sign up for Satellite radio later on.
I also don't plan on cold weather package or need the heated seats.

I might swap out the driver seat later on so another reason I don't need the leather.
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Black, Tan, and Coral Red are the only options. Saddle Brown and Everest Grey are not available with ZMM.
It's a trip to think that I can order an Estoril blue car with Coral red interior!

That would either be horrible or awesome.....
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It's a trip to think that I can order an Estoril blue car with Coral red interior!

That would either be horrible or awesome.....
Gonna go with horrible on the Superman Deluxe. Here are a few pics of a Z3 MC in the same, but slightly more tasteful combo:
http://www.coupeaday.com/2011/12/07/...ue-imolablack/
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It's a trip to think that I can order an Estoril blue car with Coral red interior!

That would either be horrible or awesome.....
hahahaah....yeah, my vote is
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Yes, I think barf is probably right........
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Gonna go with horrible on the Superman Deluxe. Here are a few pics of a Z3 MC in the same, but slightly more tasteful combo:
http://www.coupeaday.com/2011/12/07/...ue-imolablack/
Yeah....even on that one I'm going with HSD (horrible on the Superman Delux )

Okay, so I won't do that.
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Gonna go with horrible on the Superman Deluxe. Here are a few pics of a Z3 MC in the same, but slightly more tasteful combo:
http://www.coupeaday.com/2011/12/07/...ue-imolablack/
Yeah....even on that one I'm going with HSD (horrible on the Superman Delux )

Okay, so I won't do that.

LOL what a response you got...

I have to say though: "Superman deluxe" sounds right...
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