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      08-08-2012, 07:37 PM   #23
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      08-08-2012, 11:35 PM   #26
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Alpina were somehow a little under M models.
They are technically very good and also very exclusive.
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I won't be surprised if Alpina goes out of business this next 5 years or atleast re-focuses their business to other aspects of non-bmws or maybe something different that I cannot even thinkn of right now
I suspect your prediction won't come to pass. There are merits to Alpina cars such as, typically, even more exclusivity than an M. Additionally, consider that there is the touring form factor which cannot currently be had from M Division.
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I suspect your prediction won't come to pass. There are merits to Alpina cars such as, typically, even more exclusivity than an M. Additionally, consider that there is the touring form factor which cannot currently be had from M Division.
This. When you start talking exclusivity, never underestimate prospective buyers. As far as BMW's go, Alpina is as exclusive as you'll get; you won't get that with any M car.
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      08-09-2012, 02:06 PM   #35
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I've got an Alpina B5S, the car can be both comfortable and a beast, also it doesn't have any kind of limiter and is fully tested at topspeeds with no problems at all, also the Alpina B3S Biturbo(e9x) is a lot faster than a BMW M3(e9x). Looks better too imo.

I choose an Alpina B3 over a M3 even though the M3 would be cheaper!

1. Exclusivity, worldwide there are less than 370 B3 BT worldwide!
2. More economical to run
3. Pay only 1/2 road tax compared to a M3 due to Alpina being classed as a small car manufacture
4. Unique colour ( Alpina blue and Alpina Green)
5. Performance more torque than an M3 (same as a 3 litre diesel!)
6. Lighter than an M3 (0-62mph in 4.7 sec)
7. Itís not shouting am a M3!
8. Creates less unwanted attraction
9. Bespoke interior to customersí requirements
10. Resell value similar / to better to an M3 for the above reasons
11. Ride quality Alpina's own specification

I could go on!

I confess I not sure on the saloon design, really hope that the coupe looks like a small 6 series!
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Unfortunately here in the UK the RV on these cars is LOW.
I have to disagree on this from what I have seen.
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Now that they only tune the turbo engine, what is the point in going with an alpina car? For that much money its a total waste in my opinion as the gains can be had wiht 500 dollars. Their trim package and wheels and a few body parts are hardly worth paying 10s of thousands for.
Alpina do not just tune the engine they upgrade various components of the engine such as the pistons, intercooler, air intake, also upgrade the suspension, exhaust, gearbox etc.

I was told by a BMW technication that the Alpina B3 GT3 was faster around Nurburgring track than an a M3 GT3!

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      08-09-2012, 02:41 PM   #38
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      08-09-2012, 04:30 PM   #40
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That is actually not true. THe B3S e90 is not faster by any measure other than the typical low end torque arguement. There is a clear reason though why someone would buy an alpina over an M car in the e90 days because they may have wanted a forced induction engine but in superior trim.

However now with the next m3 being FI and essentially the same engine as the 335 with a lot more power and torque, than why would you go B3? No benefit as the handling would not be as good, comfort is no longer an issue as the m and adaptive suspension gives as much comfort as you would ever want.

To me the only car now that makes sense is the B7 as that is the only one you can't get an M car.

However Alpina cars in general no longer make sense to me. When the cars used to be naturally aspirated, then an ALpina was pretty special since it added a super charger and presented gains that were impossible to match from pretty much any tuner, especially since most companies would not come out with a supercharger system that quickly.

Now that they only tune the turbo engine, what is the point in going with an alpina car? For that much money its a total waste in my opinion as the gains can be had wiht 500 dollars. Their trim package and wheels and a few body parts are hardly worth paying 10s of thousands for.

I won't be surprised if Alpina goes out of business this next 5 years or atleast re-focuses their business to other aspects of non-bmws or maybe something different that I cannot even thinkn of right now
Not true at all- Alpina is a manufacturer and not a "tuner". They have a full TUV emissions facility to test their own cars on and they also do testing for other brands. $500 chips are just to trick the car into performing better at a higher standard than they were designed to reliably do- that is not the same as what Alpina does. The B3 GT3 is faster than the E9X M3.

The cooling setups they make are intense and well beyond factory BMW. The suspension tuning is different than anything BMW offers and they co-developed the auto transmission (which they have patents for). Unlike "tuners" Alpina as a manufacturer tests everything to meet requirements for longevity and usability. They make everything much more robust than they really need to be.

Not to mention the bespoke nature of the cars- they are built to customer spec in all markets but the US (US doesn't get the custom interior due to crash testing requirements). They use the same grade leather as Rolls and you can have it dyed, trimmed, embossed basically however you want. The exhausts are co developed with Akro- so they sound great.

Exclusivity always comes at a premium- one that a lot of customers are interested in paying. They are growing rather than your suggestion they will fold up.

The drive character of an Alpina is very different than an M car as well not to mention the fact they love to make wagons... I am seriously debating getting a used Alpina B3 S.
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An Alpina is similiar to buying a hand made suit .
exclusive to yourself , reflects your personality and totally one of a kind.
Everyone has an M , not everyone has an Alpina.
And that is why the brand is successful , it is fluent in individuality and is more personal than BMW M. Alpina is also a very good talking point.
Everybody knows what an M is but not everybody knows what an Alpina is and that is why in Europe people choose these cars for the amount of exclusivity and of course every Alpina can be personalised to each individual aspect , again like a hand made suit.

I do not see Alpina going out of business , their exclusivity means that they will always have that special customer waiting for the right car and Alpina has a strong customer base in Europe and Asia.
There is an agreement that keeps the Alpina models away from the US Market because they would directly compete (in price) with respective M models. The B7 has no direct BMW M competitor.
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Blech. maybe the engine tuning is worth it, but I think Alpina takes a great looking car and wrecks it. Those wheels are heinous. Might as well put a landau vinyl roof on it with gold badging.


IMHO Alpina used to make a a good looking car look better, now they just look dated.

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