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      10-22-2012, 12:24 PM   #89
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I'd have bought the hybrid if it was built around the N26 and not the N55. As it is, it's a minimal fuel economy improvement for a bunch of money. It could have been a great car for gas mileage while not costing an arm and a leg -- they whiffed on that opportunity though.
I think they're trying to position the AH3 as a very top-end model, with features and performance. If they would have put a 4cyl in it, it would be in a very in-between price point and position. By using the N55, they can add a few additional features and consider it a "premium" over a regular 335i. In other words, you get a lot more, for just a $2500 increase over a 335i.
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Does the sportline option on the Activehybrid3 have the sport suspension (lowered) or is it like the xdrive models? All of the pictures I've seen look "non-lowered" but I was curious as it doesn't seem like many have been delivered (at least on these boards)...
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Does the sportline option on the Activehybrid3 have the sport suspension (lowered) or is it like the xdrive models? All of the pictures I've seen look "non-lowered" but I was curious as it doesn't seem like many have been delivered (at least on these boards)...
The AH3 doesn't get the Sports Suspension (i.e. no 10mm drop) in either the Sports line or M-sport package. However, it appears you can still get the Adaptive M suspension, which does have the drop.

I'm going to drive an AH3 tomorrow morning.
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Well, I pulled the trigger and ordered the AH3. I test drove one that was a Luxury Line this morning. Obviously it didn't have the Dynamic Handling Package, so it wasn't quite as sporty as I wanted, but I'm ordering DHP for my car.

The car felt good, very "solid". I don't know if it was my imagination feeling the batteries in the trunk, or not. Yes, it felt like you had a little bit of something in the trunk. But it didn't feel heavy, so much as it did solid. Maybe the low center of gravity of the batteries?

The implementation of the A.S.S. was pretty incredible. No shudder effect like you get with the N20, and much smoother than even with the N55. When you have it in Comfort mode, it typically turns off the engine just when you're coasting and applying the brakes. The start-up is imperceptible. You would not know it, except for the lack of noise. The intake and exhaust noise from the N55 was less than with the standard 335i. I can't really say how much, because I didn't drive them back to back. But the car was rather quiet. Probably about as quiet as a 535i.

I like the torque! You really don't have to be concerned with what gear you're in. This thing launches you, at any speed. The torque was definitely more apparent than what I had in my '12 M3

The new Nav was great as well. I didn't play with it extensively, but the updated graphics seemed sharper than the current Nav.

So, being that I was already "set" on a standard 335i, I used the $3500 Eco Credit, plus some more aggressive negotiating to get the AH3 down to ~1$K more than the regular 335i M-sport that I was ready to order. Interesting tidbit: there are a few options that are free on a AH3. The heated steering wheel (even with M-sport) is N/C. Also, Lane Departure Warning/Forward Collision Warning (5AD) and Speed Limit Info (8TH) are both N/C options. You have to order these separately, not part of Driver Assistance Plus package. The $0 charge for these shows up both on Build Your Own BMW site, as well as on my Vehicle Inquiry Report. That's a $700 savings.

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After Eco Credit/Loyalty/Holiday/USAA/negotiation, my MSRP was $55,095.

I'm production week 46, but I suppose it could start building today. I'll be doing PCD in January, I wonder if they'll even have an AH3 for me to race around the track with?
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The AH3 doesn't get the Sports Suspension (i.e. no 10mm drop) in either the Sports line or M-sport package. However, it appears you can still get the Adaptive M suspension, which does have the drop.

I'm going to drive an AH3 tomorrow morning.

...thats the part I haven't been able to verify yet...whether adding Adaptive M gives you the lower ride height...the only thing I've seen is that M-Sport and Sport Line do not give you lower ride height (as they do in non-AH3)...
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...thats the part I haven't been able to verify yet...whether adding Adaptive M gives you the lower ride height...the only thing I've seen is that M-Sport and Sport Line do not give you lower ride height (as they do in non-AH3)...
I'm fairly sure you get lower height with Adaptive M on the AH3.

The reason you don't get 10mm lower on the AH3 with Sport/M-sport is because Sport Suspension is simply not available, period, on the AH3.

Adding Adaptive M always seems to give you 10mm lower, no matter what.
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Aye. That has always been banded around on here as fact. The M Adapt does lower the X-Drive by 10mm
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So, will I be the first guy here to take delivery of an AH3? Or the first with AH3 + M-sport?
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Well, I pulled the trigger and ordered the AH3. I test drove one that was a Luxury Line this morning. Obviously it didn't have the Dynamic Handling Package, so it wasn't quite as sporty as I wanted, but I'm ordering DHP for my car.

The car felt good, very "solid". I don't know if it was my imagination feeling the batteries in the trunk, or not. Yes, it felt like you had a little bit of something in the trunk. But it didn't feel heavy, so much as it did solid. Maybe the low center of gravity of the batteries?

The implementation of the A.S.S. was pretty incredible. No shudder effect like you get with the N20, and much smoother than even with the N55. When you have it in Comfort mode, it typically turns off the engine just when you're coasting and applying the brakes. The start-up is imperceptible. You would not know it, except for the lack of noise. The intake and exhaust noise from the N55 was less than with the standard 335i. I can't really say how much, because I didn't drive them back to back. But the car was rather quiet. Probably about as quiet as a 535i.

I like the torque! You really don't have to be concerned with what gear you're in. This thing launches you, at any speed. The torque was definitely more apparent than what I had in my '12 M3

The new Nav was great as well. I didn't play with it extensively, but the updated graphics seemed sharper than the current Nav.

So, being that I was already "set" on a standard 335i, I used the $3500 Eco Credit, plus some more aggressive negotiating to get the AH3 down to ~1$K more than the regular 335i M-sport that I was ready to order. Interesting tidbit: there are a few options that are free on a AH3. The heated steering wheel (even with M-sport) is N/C. Also, Lane Departure Warning/Forward Collision Warning (5AD) and Speed Limit Info (8TH) are both N/C options. You have to order these separately, not part of Driver Assistance Plus package. The $0 charge for these shows up both on Build Your Own BMW site, as well as on my Vehicle Inquiry Report. That's a $700 savings.

My final build came to:
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$64,845 MSRP

After Eco Credit/Loyalty/Holiday/USAA/negotiation, my MSRP was $55,095.

I'm production week 46, but I suppose it could start building today. I'll be doing PCD in January, I wonder if they'll even have an AH3 for me to race around the track with?
Wow sick build and strong negotiations!
I landed around $8k under you, with "just" a base 335i + Tech + Cold Weather + Premium, but I think the AH3 provides strong value for within city drivers (I do mostly highway so didn't make sense for me).
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Wow sick build and strong negotiations!
I landed around $8k under you, with "just" a base 335i + Tech + Cold Weather + Premium, but I think the AH3 provides strong value for within city drivers (I do mostly highway so didn't make sense for me).
Thanks. I think I got everything but Parking Assist, and the 19" 403M wheels (kinda odd with a hybrid?).

My commute in the evening is very heavy stop-and-go, so I am anxious to see just how well the AH3 can do. In the mornings, and other times, I'm able to stretch it out a bit, so the power of the AH3 should be lots of fun.
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What does ASS have to do with the technology in the ActiveHybrid 3 that doesn't apply to a 328 or 335i?
I believe he's saying that if people don't like the already included gas saving features on the F30s that have been released, they're probably not going to care about other ones that come with a price tag in the thousands.


Damn. That was a good summation of intent!
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So I guess I am the first member here actually getting one of these? Well, I'm picking it up at PCD on Jan 18th, so you can expect pics and about 1100 miles of driving impressions shortly thereafter
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So I guess I am the first member here actually getting one of these? Well, I'm picking it up at PCD on Jan 18th, so you can expect pics and about 1100 miles of driving impressions shortly thereafter

Congrats on the order! My AH3 just changed order status from 'finished production' to 'en route to US' yesterday... 28 days on the boat I am told... I can't wait to take delivery... There is a couple other guys on here who ordered like last summer so I imagine they must be getting them soon.
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Congrats on the order! My AH3 just changed order status from 'finished production' to 'en route to US' yesterday... 28 days on the boat I am told... I can't wait to take delivery... There is a couple other guys on here who ordered like last summer so I imagine they must be getting them soon.
Cool! How did you order your car?
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I'm heavily considering picking up an AH3. It is not the highest mpg option available but it's global warming score is fantastic. It is a great option for me since I don't like tinny, gutless feeling of the Prius but want luxury and sportiness of my M3 & X5 cars. I am going to check one out today.
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I'm heavily considering picking up an AH3. It is not the highest mpg option available but it's global warming score is fantastic. It is a great option for me since I don't like tinny, gutless feeling of the Prius but want luxury and sportiness of my M3 & X5 cars. I am going to check one out today.
I'm coming directly from a 2012 E92 M3, which I absolutely loved. Sure, the AH3 is no M3, but it is a really quick, fun ride.

Just driving into work today in my daily Accord, I start realizing just how often the motor is running, at lights, coasting to lights, etc. Seems like 25% of the time, the motor is running with virtually need to propel the car forward. Just burnin' gas... Driving the AH3 just makes me realize how much of a smarter car it is, vs. traditional offerings. This kind of thing make so much sense, I'm sure it will start taking off, not only within BMW's range, but throughout affordable cars in the next 10 years.

Definitely try to drive one. I'm not naive to think it's the right car for everyone. But it's definitely an interesting way to go about living with a "fun" car.
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So, will I be the first guy here to take delivery of an AH3? Or the first with AH3 + M-sport?
we shall see.
My current status is "vehicle has been released to the carrier and is awaiting Transportation to the port of exit".
what's yours?

btw, in order to get the holiday+loyalty credits, must you finance through bmwfs?
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Well, I pulled the trigger and ordered the AH3. I test drove one that was a Luxury Line this morning. Obviously it didn't have the Dynamic Handling Package, so it wasn't quite as sporty as I wanted, but I'm ordering DHP for my car.

The car felt good, very "solid". I don't know if it was my imagination feeling the batteries in the trunk, or not. Yes, it felt like you had a little bit of something in the trunk. But it didn't feel heavy, so much as it did solid. Maybe the low center of gravity of the batteries?

The implementation of the A.S.S. was pretty incredible. No shudder effect like you get with the N20, and much smoother than even with the N55. When you have it in Comfort mode, it typically turns off the engine just when you're coasting and applying the brakes. The start-up is imperceptible. You would not know it, except for the lack of noise. The intake and exhaust noise from the N55 was less than with the standard 335i. I can't really say how much, because I didn't drive them back to back. But the car was rather quiet. Probably about as quiet as a 535i.

I like the torque! You really don't have to be concerned with what gear you're in. This thing launches you, at any speed. The torque was definitely more apparent than what I had in my '12 M3

The new Nav was great as well. I didn't play with it extensively, but the updated graphics seemed sharper than the current Nav.

So, being that I was already "set" on a standard 335i, I used the $3500 Eco Credit, plus some more aggressive negotiating to get the AH3 down to ~1$K more than the regular 335i M-sport that I was ready to order. Interesting tidbit: there are a few options that are free on a AH3. The heated steering wheel (even with M-sport) is N/C. Also, Lane Departure Warning/Forward Collision Warning (5AD) and Speed Limit Info (8TH) are both N/C options. You have to order these separately, not part of Driver Assistance Plus package. The $0 charge for these shows up both on Build Your Own BMW site, as well as on my Vehicle Inquiry Report. That's a $700 savings.

My final build came to:
ActiveHybrid 3
Black Sapphire Metallic
ZMM M-sport
ZDH Driver Assistance Package
ZPP Premium Package
ZTP Technology Package
2TB Sport Auto
417/415 Sunshades
494 Heated Front Seats
5AC Auto High Beams
5AD Lane Departure
8TH Speed Limit Info
688 Harmon Kardon
400M 18" wheels
$64,845 MSRP

After Eco Credit/Loyalty/Holiday/USAA/negotiation, my MSRP was $55,095.

I'm production week 46, but I suppose it could start building today. I'll be doing PCD in January, I wonder if they'll even have an AH3 for me to race around the track with?
Looks good. I was at the PC in October and they had only 2012 335i Sports. They had several in different colors and all loaded to the gills with options.
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we shall see.
My current status is "vehicle has been released to the carrier and is awaiting Transportation to the port of exit".
what's yours?

btw, in order to get the holiday+loyalty credits, must you finance through bmwfs?
Yes, to take advantage of the $1750 Loyalty/HC, you must use BMWFS @ 3.29%. Taking the $1750 worked out better for me vs. 1.49% via PenFed. I will likely still try to refinance immediately after purchase via PenFed, if BMW FS will allow for it.

I'm still at Status 112. However, PCD already sent me my confirmation email for January pick up. I'm guessing I'll hit 150 any day now.

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Looks good. I was at the PC in October and they had only 2012 335i Sports. They had several in different colors and all loaded to the gills with options.
I've been really curious if they'll have an AH3 by the time I get there. Ultimately, I'll be satisfied if they have a 335i with Dynamic Handling package for me to drive.
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I've been really curious if they'll have an AH3 by the time I get there. Ultimately, I'll be satisfied if they have a 335i with Dynamic Handling package for me to drive.

It was a lot of fun, well worth the trip. Ripped some serious rubber off the Continental's they use on most of the cars at the PC. Literally! Twice had to change cars due to chunks of rubber coming off and exposing steel. Seems that Continental kinda sponsors it.

We drove pretty much every model except the 1 series. My favorite drive and sounding car is the Z4 35is. That car was a beast and a blast to drive. Very predictable! Too bad my wife won't go for a 2 seater.
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My 2007 335 was totaled in Sandy. I picked up a fairly loaded AH3 in Mineral Grey veneto beige leather 3 days ago
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Drivers assistance pkg
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tech pkg
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Got a better deal than a comparable 335. F10 335 not nearly as fast as the e90
Wanted blue but i lost 2 of 3 cars in the storm and couldn't wait for a month for delivery
F10 is more luxury oriented than the sporty e90. Ill miss the sports seats thought. They were great
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My 2007 335 was totaled in Sandy. I picked up a fairly loaded AH3 in Mineral Grey veneto beige leather 3 days ago
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Drivers assistance pkg
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Got a better deal than a comparable 335. F10 335 not nearly as fast as the e90
Wanted blue but i lost 2 of 3 cars in the storm and couldn't wait for a month for delivery
F10 is more luxury oriented than the sporty e90. Ill miss the sports seats thought. They were great
You obviously bad a fairly extreme situation. Enjoy your new car. For sure you'll get better mpg.

I'm from Oceanside, but left for FL as a child.
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