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      11-08-2012, 03:55 AM   #23
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Auto Express have reported 40.4mpg over 507 miles, for the 330d touring in their group test.

That would have been mixed driving with some hard performance testing.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/3-s...ring-vs-rivals

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Driving around Sarf London/N Kent:-

F30 (62 reg) 320D: 43 mpg
E90 (59 reg) 320D: 41 mpg (still in family)

F30 seems more nippy, smoother ride, better on corners and firmer around fast motorway curves. F30 maybe a bit noisier in the low down gears.

Yes! The F30 is an improvement on the E90 but the E90 is still a nice motor to drive!
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      11-08-2012, 06:17 AM   #27
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Auto Express have reported 40.4mpg over 507 miles, for the 330d touring in their group test.

That would have been mixed driving with some hard performance testing.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/3-s...ring-vs-rivals

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Good review that, shame they did not get to test the "M Sport" version though.
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Driving around Sarf London/N Kent:-

F30 (62 reg) 320D: 43 mpg
E90 (59 reg) 320D: 41 mpg (still in family)

F30 seems more nippy, smoother ride, better on corners and firmer around fast motorway curves. F30 maybe a bit noisier in the low down gears.

Yes! The F30 is an improvement on the E90 but the E90 is still a nice motor to drive!
MPG is always "Area Specific".
London driving @ 40MPG is good IMO.
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      11-08-2012, 06:23 AM   #29
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Over the last few weeks I have been very much in Miss Daisy mode with my 320D and managed to get the mpg up to 59.7. Nursing a cracked windscreen can do that to you

The 330D E90 hire car I had as a replacement was great fun to drive until the last week when I was determined not to have to put more fuel in and so Miss Daisy mode for that too. Over the last 150 miles I managed to get it to 48.7 with such timid driving that even Micra's were over taking me

I can only imagine that with a careful right foot in a 330D F30 there would be a better mpg than the E90 but it really takes the fun out of it and what's the point in that???
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      11-14-2012, 03:04 PM   #30
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Auto Express have reported 40.4mpg over 507 miles, for the 330d touring in their group test.

That would have been mixed driving with some hard performance testing.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/3-s...ring-vs-rivals

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This is my observations on MPG over the first few hundred miles. Based on a mix of motorway, around London, traffic and opening her up.
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      11-14-2012, 05:00 PM   #31
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Guys, I can assure you the mpg will get better as the miles go on. Mine (although an E90 but similar engine) mpg improved quite a bit once it had done a few thousand.

This is mine a couple of weeks ago

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This is my observations on MPG over the first few hundred miles. Based on a mix of motorway, around London, traffic and opening her up.
Thats sh*T MPG, my X3 35D M Sport was returning that from day ONE.
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      11-15-2012, 11:52 AM   #33
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Thats sh*T MPG, my X3 35D M Sport was returning that from day ONE.
Funny I was actually with it as I was returning the same from my E90 320d....today I drove in Eco Pro only it was mid 40's - but that's boring as hell so mid/late 30's it is!!!
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UPDATE on MPG with the "soon to go" loaner, 33MPG now the weather is colder, thats mainly out of town driving with very few stops, not good that for my drives being 25 miles + every time out, no short journeys at all.
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      11-15-2012, 02:52 PM   #35
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2000 miles in now, averaging 40-50 mpg. I can't help flooring it at the moment, and the power is just stonking, so that's effecting the stats a little. I find ECOPRO fine when in busy traffic but the lack of throttle response is sh**te when you've got more room and can actually drive. It does save a bit of mileage, I added 20 miles to the tank distance when I stuck to ECOPRO assiduously, just not sure it's worth the impact on drive experience though.

Getting used to the set up now and country lane driving is really quick and assured. Don't forget I've got the standard MSport susp and steering and its spot on. So far filled up 3.5 times, so averaging 450-520 miles per tank.

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2000 miles in now, averaging 40-50 mpg. I can't help flooring it at the moment, and the power is just stonking, so that's effecting the stats a little. I find ECOPRO fine when in busy traffic but the lack of throttle response is sh**te when you've got more room and can actually drive. It does save a bit of mileage, I added 20 miles to the tank distance when I stuck to ECOPRO assiduously, just not sure it's worth the impact on drive experience though.

Getting used to the set up now and country lane driving is really quick and assured. Don't forget I've got the standard MSport susp and steering and its spot on. So far filled up 3.5 times, so averaging 450-520 miles per tank.

So so happy with this car
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      12-04-2012, 11:02 AM   #37
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330d e91 - 27 mpg

Well I would say im really pissed with my 330d e91 2007. I got 27 mpg in average.. its 99% city driving though... My second car is z3 coupe 3.0i and it averages the same..WTF?! I wonder what is real life city mpg you guys have?
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      12-04-2012, 03:59 PM   #38
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Took two pics from my loaner.....OK not a 330D, but how do you like them apples?


Trip to the office, as I pulled off the motorway


When I got home this evening, both trips include about 3/4 mile stop start crawl.
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2000 miles in now, averaging 40-50 mpg. I can't help flooring it at the moment, and the power is just stonking, so that's effecting the stats a little. I find ECOPRO fine when in busy traffic but the lack of throttle response is sh**te when you've got more room and can actually drive. It does save a bit of mileage, I added 20 miles to the tank distance when I stuck to ECOPRO assiduously, just not sure it's worth the impact on drive experience though.

Getting used to the set up now and country lane driving is really quick and assured. Don't forget I've got the standard MSport susp and steering and its spot on. So far filled up 3.5 times, so averaging 450-520 miles per tank.

So so happy with this car
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Took two pics from my loaner.....OK not a 330D, but how do you like them apples?


Trip to the office, as I pulled off the motorway


When I got home this evening, both trips include about 3/4 mile stop start crawl.
What is that in then?

Can I play too, note this was in sport mode so pretty good imo (but slow traffic)

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What is that in then?

Can I play too, note this was in sport mode so pretty good imo (but slow traffic)
318D Manual, missing about 100 horses

Hey that is not a bad figure for a 35i, I couldn't do that in the 328i I tested.
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My average (since owning the car) dropped below 40mpg for the first time today on the way home from the train station in particularly heavy, stop-start traffic I'll get it back tomorrow on the M42 though
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The 330D out accelerates the 320D and has a 6cyl engine against a 4cyl,
but is it worth an extra £5200 plus?
As I certainly would not buy a pre-owned 330D, that was the figure I was looking at in June this year when I made the choice of a 320D.
Fuel consumption? Whatever you lads get on a 330D itís nowhere as good as the 320D. It never will be.
Tyre wear? The extra wear on a 320D compared with a 320i is quite noticeable. If the acceleration is there, you use it! No doubt about it! The wear on a 330D compared with a 320D? I dread to think!
Acceleration? OK if you are driving for the Police, but for an everyday run around the 330D is too much of a risk for the Driving Licence. The 320D can be bad enough for me.
A 6 cyl engine? For me, the only real advantage: the possibility of smoother running, as a 4 cyl diesel can be a little obvious at low RPM.
But a 330D plus, is the possiblity of better track days at Brands.
For me, extra acceleration and smooth running was just not worth an extra £5200!
The disadvantages of the 330D far outweigh its advantages i.e.
a)Higher servicing costs
b)Greater tyre wear
c)Higher fuel consumption
d)Nose heavy
e) Higher road tax
f)Higher insurance
g)An extra £5200!
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The 330D out accelerates the 320D and has a 6cyl engine against a 4cyl,
but is it worth an extra £5200 plus?
As I certainly would not buy a pre-owned 330D, that was the figure I was looking at in June this year when I made the choice of a 320D.
Fuel consumption? Whatever you lads get on a 330D it’s nowhere as good as the 320D. It never will be.
Tyre wear? The extra wear on a 320D compared with a 320i is quite noticeable. If the acceleration is there, you use it! No doubt about it! The wear on a 330D compared with a 320D? I dread to think!
Acceleration? OK if you are driving for the Police, but for an everyday run around the 330D is too much of a risk for the Driving Licence. The 320D can be bad enough for me.
A 6 cyl engine? For me, the only real advantage: the possibility of smoother running, as a 4 cyl diesel can be a little obvious at low RPM.
But a 330D plus, is the possiblity of better track days at Brands.
For me, extra acceleration and smooth running was just not worth an extra £5200!
The disadvantages of the 330D far outweigh its advantages i.e.
a)Higher servicing costs
b)Greater tyre wear
c)Higher fuel consumption
d)Nose heavy
e) Higher road tax
f)Higher insurance
g)An extra £5200!

As with anything, it depends what you're used to. When you've owned a powerful car, you really can't settle for anything else. However, if you've been used to the power of e.g. a 320D or below (still a great car), with the "disadvantages" you've claimed above, it sounds like the 320D is the car for you

a) Higher servicing costs: get Service Inclusive, which includes 5 years/60k miles servicing for a low initial cost
b) Probably, though you don't need to go screaming around everywhere in it - it's just nice to have that power *available* when you want and/or need it; and when you're used to having it, it's a big "disadvantage" when it is *never* there. As a bonus, you get the higher torque and smoother 6-cylinder engine when you're just pottering around as well - all the time. A 6cyl BMW vs a 4cyl is quite a difference, even with the sound it makes!
c) Again mainly down to the way you choose to the drive the car - if you look at the official figures (clearly not achievable in the real world , but you can use them as a comparison between the two cars), there is very little in the 320d/330d, despite the huge performance and drivability difference
d) Not really an issue unless you intend to be driving aggressively all the time, or tracking the car; in which case you should be getting the 330D anyway!
e) 129 vs 120 for the manual 320D, hardly a huge difference. Again, the 129 CO2 the 330d emits - considering the size of the engine and its performance - is quite an achievement
f) Yes, though I doubt the difference will be so significant that it would put you off the 330d
g) Definitely a large price difference; and if you think you'll be happy in the 320d, for your expectations, from what you want from a car, and for the type of driving you do, it is probably the "better value" car, seeing as everything else about the car will be the same

I'm sure I won't be alone in saying that - after sampling BMWs finest diesels, in the shape of the 335d and 330d, and also the petrol 135i - I would never personally be happy with a model with less performance, and 4 cylinders vs 6. The car, for me, is all about the engine, and I'm used to a powerful engine, the driving experience is different, and a lot more effortless. Even when you're just pottering about, you can feel the difference - like how a higher-end, more powerful Hi-Fi system, will play music at a lower volume with more depth and detail, it's not just when "loud" that there's a difference - in every day driving; and you have the power available for when you want it.

Just depends on your expectations and what you want from the car personally, we're all different, hence the choice.

Good luck deciding
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