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      11-17-2012, 05:14 PM   #133
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Is it just me, or is half this thread now missing?

Who moderates this forum? Have they no manners? It's just simple human courtesy to leave a note in a forum to say what's been deleted and why rather than just stealth-deleting posts which then confuse the whole issue by having phantom quotes, quoting posts that don't exist.

C'mon guys ... show yourselves and 'fess up
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      11-17-2012, 06:16 PM   #135
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It happens all the time... my comment got deleted as well. I think mods should at least give us the courtesy of sending us a PM giving us an explanation when a comment gets deleted. I know it is their forum, and their rules, but without us posters they wouldn't have much of a forum.
Well indeed. If transgressions have taken place then how can anyone learn unless they're pointed out? It's like constantly tidying up after children without telling them to stop making a mess

And BJ got banned, it would seem, so something pretty epic must have taken place
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      11-17-2012, 07:32 PM   #136
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Is it just me, or is half this thread now missing?

Who moderates this forum? Have they no manners? It's just simple human courtesy to leave a note in a forum to say what's been deleted and why rather than just stealth-deleting posts which then confuse the whole issue by having phantom quotes, quoting posts that don't exist.

C'mon guys ... show yourselves and 'fess up
Lmao it's cuz we were stating facts about BJ
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      11-17-2012, 08:06 PM   #137
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Who moderates this forum? Have they no manners? It's just simple human courtesy to leave a note in a forum to say what's been deleted and why rather than just stealth-deleting posts which then confuse the whole issue by having phantom quotes, quoting posts that don't exist.
If you've ever moderated a big board such as this, you'd realize that sending messages to everyone that had a post deleted would be a 24/7 job. It's task enough just cleaning up after the trouble-makers.

It's not a stealth delete, more like cleaning up after a crime scene, then having neighbors two streets over complain that the clean up crew didn't personally knock on their door and spend 30 minutes telling them what they've been doing.
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      11-17-2012, 08:26 PM   #138
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This thread had rather quickly deteriorated into embarrassing garbage. I'm glad it's been cleaned up. The myopic megalomania spewed in some of the now-deleted posts are representative of a small minority of BMW owners that give other owners a bad name (though of course this is not unique to BMW).

I'm very new to this forum, so my feedback carries much less weight, but I'm still hoping for better. Much of what I had read previously had been generally good discussion; informative and helpful. I'm hoping things head back in that direction.

And on that note, I'll reiterate what I stated earlier - the 335i is marketed to those that want more power. And that's hardly a bad thing. Wish I had it.

It was mentioned earlier in this thread that the 328i could be tuned rather inexpensively to achieve similar power levels. That's very true, but if one is willing to tune, one could just as easily tune the 335i to higher power levels as well, so that point is moot.

Unlike the richie-rich that posted previously, I don't mind admitting that I can't afford a 335i, so I bought what I could afford. The tuning option is an interesting one, provided it doesn't roast my engine along with my warranty. Why no PPK for the little engine, BMW?

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And on that note, I'll reiterate what I stated earlier - the 335i is marketed to those that want more power. And that's hardly a bad thing. Wish I had it.
That was definitely a component in my decision to get a 335i. Also, with the options I wanted, the price difference wasn't much.

Another significant factor in my purchase was the e90. The performance gap was too large between 328 and 335 and I would never have considered the 328 when I purchased my e90. I was always annoyed when my service loaner was a 328, it just didn't have the performance I liked so I was inclined to look at the 335 again when I was replacing my poor totaled e90, even though the 328 was much closer in performance than the previous generation.
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      11-18-2012, 07:04 AM   #140
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If you've ever moderated a big board such as this, you'd realize that sending messages to everyone that had a post deleted would be a 24/7 job. It's task enough just cleaning up after the trouble-makers.

It's not a stealth delete, more like cleaning up after a crime scene, then having neighbors two streets over complain that the clean up crew didn't personally knock on their door and spend 30 minutes telling them what they've been doing.
I do moderate a forum this big And I, nor any of my associates, would never, ever, ever delete posts without leaving a note. It's just plain rude. If it's a single post that's bent the rules, I would either leave a note in the thread or PM them directly. if it's an entire thread cleanup then a note always gets left in the cleaned thread. It's not hard, it's not a big deal and it's called manners
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      11-18-2012, 09:45 AM   #141
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Why no PPK for the little engine, BMW?
It has been mentioned one will be offered for the N20.
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      11-18-2012, 11:13 AM   #142
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I do moderate a forum this big And I, nor any of my associates, would never, ever, ever delete posts without leaving a note. It's just plain rude. If it's a single post that's bent the rules, I would either leave a note in the thread or PM them directly. if it's an entire thread cleanup then a note always gets left in the cleaned thread. It's not hard, it's not a big deal and it's called manners
I would mostly agree with this. I don't know if I consider it rude, but I've found that mods for many fora (or forums if you prefer) will leave a note stating that posts violating such and such have been removed and/or user(s) have been banned, with a reminder / warning with respect to the terms of use. It helps provide more clarity for the members.


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It has been mentioned one will be offered for the N20.
That's great news! As with the big brother, I'm sure the gains will probably be half that of the tuners (and the price probably double), but to keep my warranty intact for now has some value for me.
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      11-18-2012, 03:39 PM   #143
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Maybe the 335i is for those who want minimal delay in the delivery of their torque and a greater ability to powerslide :-P

I test drove the 328i again and compared to my supercharged car, lacks grunt at low rpm. Of course the engine comes alive at mid to high rpm, but that low rpm responsiveness is missing.
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      11-18-2012, 06:51 PM   #144
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Maybe the 335i is for those who want minimal delay in the delivery of their torque and a greater ability to powerslide :-P

I test drove the 328i again and compared to my supercharged car, lacks grunt at low rpm. Of course the engine comes alive at mid to high rpm, but that low rpm responsiveness is missing.
I don't know how you can say the 328 lacks grunt at low rpm -- it's sensational and class-leading at low rpm. Did you have the car is Sport or Sport+ mode? Comfort is pretty average, Eco Pro is diabolical.

I loved the 328i engine, but not the sound. I went for the 335i which sounds lovely in comparison, but offers similar performance.
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I don't know how you can say the 328 lacks grunt at low rpm -- it's sensational and class-leading at low rpm. Did you have the car is Sport or Sport+ mode? Comfort is pretty average, Eco Pro is diabolical.

I loved the 328i engine, but not the sound. I went for the 335i which sounds lovely in comparison, but offers similar performance.
Come to think of it i never went into sports mode. Note to self... Dont make sweeping statements without trying all modes.

I didnt expect the driving mode to make that much of a difference, but happy to be proven wrong. You know what this means... I must "unfortunately" go for another test drive :-)

Someone did say to me the wait for delivery is the killer.;-)
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Yeah it's just a fact 328 has better torque than 335
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Yeah it's just a fact 328 has better torque than 335
Sure doesn't feel like it, driving back to back.

I don't get why 328i vs 335i is such an issue. Please stop trying to say how the 328i is faster or has a better power/weight ratio than a 335i. It has LESS power and cannot gain as much HP/TQ has an equally tuned 335i EVER. It has better handling than a 335i and better MPG. Those are the selling points!!
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It has been mentioned one will be offered for the N20.
Not by BMW.
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Not by BMW.
Incorrect.

It's been mentioned in a recent BMW press release...just not a NA press release.



http://www.egmcartech.com/2012/10/02...-and-5-series/
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Yeah it's just a fact 328 has better torque than 335
It's not a big deal but if you've driven both cars I don't know how you can say that. The torque on the 335i is a good deal stronger. The n20 is a gem but n55 is simply stronger.
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It's not a big deal but if you've driven both cars I don't know how you can say that. The torque on the 335i is a good deal stronger. The n20 is a gem but n55 is simply stronger.
I agree.

They both kick in and surge at LOW rpm. The N55 just has MORE lol.
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Incorrect.

It's been mentioned in a recent BMW press release...just not a NA press release.



http://www.egmcartech.com/2012/10/02...-and-5-series/
The summary at the top says it'll be for the N20, but the actual article makes no mention of it. As we know the diesels are getting the PPK first.

I personally don't believe they'll have a PPK for the N20 since the boost is already so high. The N54 had a PPK, and the N55 in the E90 has a PPK, which is safe to say the F30 N55 will have a PPK.

N54 Boost = 7 psi
N55 Boost = 10 psi
N20 Boost = 16 psi
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The summary at the top says it'll be for the N20, but the actual article makes no mention of it. As we know the diesels are getting the PPK first.

I personally don't believe they'll have a PPK for the N20 since the boost is already so high. The N54 had a PPK, and the N55 in the E90 has a PPK, which is safe to say the F30 N55 will have a PPK.

N54 Boost = 7 psi
N55 Boost = 10 psi
N20 Boost = 16 psi
I have had tuned 2-2.3l 4's in my stable for 15 years. 16psi is not high. There is room for an light oem tune netting 20-30hp at the crank. BMW would not make an engine for production so boost stressed stock that did not have room for more.
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I have had tuned 2-2.3l 4's in my stable for 15 years. 16psi is not high. There is room for an light oem tune netting 20-30hp at the crank. BMW would not make an engine for production so boost stressed stock that did not have room for more.
We'll see, BMW just is always so conservative with their tuning. I'd love to get a Dinan tune, but only after warranty has run out. (PPK would hold me over though)
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