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      11-19-2012, 07:25 AM   #155
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Sure doesn't feel like it, driving back to back.

I don't get why 328i vs 335i is such an issue. Please stop trying to say how the 328i is faster or has a better power/weight ratio than a 335i. It has LESS power and cannot gain as much HP/TQ has an equally tuned 335i EVER. It has better handling than a 335i and better MPG. Those are the selling points!!
Torque doesn't mean it's faster or has better power to weight... Let me re phrase, 328 has better low end torque which makes it a better city car
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We'll see, BMW just is always so conservative with their tuning. I'd love to get a Dinan tune, but only after warranty has run out. (PPK would hold me over though)
The whole point of a Dinan tune is it keeps your warranty intact so I do not see the point of waiting.
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      11-19-2012, 09:37 AM   #157
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The 320d with the N47 has over 20 psi, and thereīs a PPK offered for it. A new turbo plus some other stuff is included in the kit so its not like they run it stock and just increase pressure and map it, you pay for a lot more than that.
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      11-19-2012, 10:02 AM   #158
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The whole point of a Dinan tune is it keeps your warranty intact so I do not see the point of waiting.
The problem I have with the Dinan warranty is that it's no longer BMW's warranty. It's Dinan's....
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      11-19-2012, 10:03 AM   #159
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The 320d with the N47 has over 20 psi, and thereīs a PPK offered for it. A new turbo plus some other stuff is included in the kit so its not like they run it stock and just increase pressure and map it, you pay for a lot more than that.
Ah, interesting, thanks for enlightening us. Perhaps the same will be for the N20.
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      11-19-2012, 10:07 AM   #160
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      11-19-2012, 10:08 AM   #161
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Torque doesn't mean it's faster or has better power to weight... Let me re phrase, 328 has better low end torque which makes it a better city car
I still say they're basically the same car with minor offsets that aren't too different. I mean none of us are professional drivers nor should the cars be driven to the limits on city/highway. I watch the torque when I set off from the traffic light and I consistently hit 280+.
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Yeah it's just a fact 328 has better torque than 335
Sure doesn't feel like it, driving back to back.

I don't get why 328i vs 335i is such an issue. Please stop trying to say how the 328i is faster or has a better power/weight ratio than a 335i. It has LESS power and cannot gain as much HP/TQ has an equally tuned 335i EVER. It has better handling than a 335i and better MPG. Those are the selling points!!
Handling! Hehehe. Thats where it is.
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      11-19-2012, 03:30 PM   #163
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Torque doesn't mean it's faster or has better power to weight... Let me re phrase, 328 has better low end torque which makes it a better city car
Except it doesn't and it isn't.

335i has 300 ft-lbs from 1,200 to 5,000 RPM
328i has 258 ft-lbs from 1,250 to 4,800 RPM

The N20 engine in the 328i has less torque, that comes later in the RPM band, and craps out sooner in the RPM band. Its torque curve is inferior in literally every measurable way. You are objectively full of shit.
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      11-19-2012, 03:41 PM   #164
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Except it doesn't and it isn't.

335i has 300 ft-lbs from 1,200 to 5,000 RPM
328i has 258 ft-lbs from 1,250 to 4,800 RPM

The N20 engine in the 328i has less torque, that comes later in the RPM band, and craps out sooner in the RPM band. Its torque curve is inferior in literally every measurable way. You are objectively full of shit.
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      11-19-2012, 04:01 PM   #165
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Dinan will replace the warranty, you will loose the original BMW one.
No they match the factory warranty, not supplement it.
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      11-19-2012, 04:02 PM   #166
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The problem I have with the Dinan warranty is that it's no longer BMW's warranty. It's Dinan's....
Unless you obtain the tune and parts and labor AT a BMW dealer.

If you do that, you're golden....
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      11-19-2012, 04:19 PM   #167
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Except it doesn't and it isn't.

335i has 300 ft-lbs from 1,200 to 5,000 RPM
328i has 258 ft-lbs from 1,250 to 4,800 RPM

The N20 engine in the 328i has less torque, that comes later in the RPM band, and craps out sooner in the RPM band. Its torque curve is inferior in literally every measurable way. You are objectively full of shit.
I do not see see the N20 having more ANYTHING than the N55.

BUT

50rpm cannot be felt by 99.9% of the people walking the planet. So there is no reason to describe one as lagging compared to the other in terms of response.

2nd, I am skeptical of anything published by BMW on power figures between the two engines.

Both are underrated, the N20 just a tad more.

I would check back to back dynos of both engines to see peak tq figures, where and how much.

On a load bearing dyno mine did 240ft-lbs(Dynojets have shown more) and 260ft lbs with exhaust.
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      11-19-2012, 04:53 PM   #168
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I think the 335i is definitely marketed towards customers like me:
1. Enjoy the most power possible
2. Like lots of options (Don't come standard on BMWs)
3. Most importantly: The difference in 24 month lease payment in identically equipped cars (minus the lights on the 328i) is less than 100$ per month.
4. My lease payment is tax deductible since I use the car for work.

Of course there are other demographics that they target, but for me less than 100$ per month (before tax) is the clincher
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I think the 335i is definitely marketed towards customers like me:
1. Enjoy the most power possible
2. Like lots of options (Don't come standard on BMWs)
3. Most importantly: The difference in 24 month lease payment in identically equipped cars (minus the lights on the 328i) is less than 100$ per month.
4. My lease payment is tax deductible since I use the car for work.

Of course there are other demographics that they target, but for me less than 100$ per month (before tax) is the clincher
well yea your talking $1200 a year. $2400 over the 2 year lease. Thats $12000 over 10 years! If you start thinking about it like that, it adds up.
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Straight 6 FTW!
This is a straight six turboed. This is not the iconic straight six everyone talks about. Lol
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      11-21-2012, 03:16 AM   #171
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Im just curious. I wonder how many ppl can keep up with those in 335s with their 328s. Im pretty sure not everyone in one is smoking everyone else. Im surprised this thread is still up. Lol.
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I was thinking about this really hard and then it hit me..the 335 is most likely marketed towards people who want to buy a car. I feel like I'm living in Bizzaro world because after reading some of the comments on this thread. I'm hearing it more and more...."if you buy the more powerful car then you must be an irresponsible prick who likes to terrorize old ladies and small children". I don't get it. we're talking about at 300 hp car ,,,not 1500HP pro streeter. Why the hate?? & why not just buy the car you want and be happy with it?? no matter what the model is
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This is a straight six turboed. This is not the iconic straight six everyone talks about. Lol
You're right. It's better. The N55 crushes the old M54 and N52 engines it replaces in pretty much every way. Power, torque, fuel economy, emissions...
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I was thinking about this really hard and then it hit me..the 335 is most likely marketed towards people who want to buy a car. I feel like I'm living in Bizzaro world because after reading some of the comments on this thread. I'm hearing it more and more...."if you buy the more powerful car then you must be an irresponsible prick who likes to terrorize old ladies and small children". I don't get it. we're talking about at 300 hp car ,,,not 1500HP pro streeter. Why the hate?? & why not just buy the car you want and be happy with it?? no matter what the model is
Oh buhu, talk about exaggerating the "hate", guess Bizzaro world is inside you own head.. I havenīt seen one comment bout 335i owners beeing irresponsible etc, the difference between the two ainīt freakinīBMX Bicycle vs Yamaha R1 so from what idiots have u been hearing such things? (retorical, donīt answer.)

The 335i is the choice for those who want to put out more money to have a bigger engine. And those who want to put out even more money, can get the M3. And those who want to put out more money... and, and... Thereīs no marketing difference between the 328i or the 335i, there has always been a model with a bigger engine. Itīs only in America that u basically have only these two choices, but the world doesnīt evolve around you guys so why even assume itīs marketed towards certain people over there? The question doesnīt even have to be asked in the first place.

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I feel like I'm living in Bizzaro world because after reading some of the comments on this thread. I'm hearing it more and more...."if you buy the more powerful car then you must be an irresponsible prick who likes to terrorize old ladies and small children". Why the hate?? & why not just buy the car you want and be happy with it?? no matter what the model is
Can you provide some examples of the hate you are seeing? What I typically see on this forum is some 335i owners who like to pat themselves on the back for their "enthusiast only car" purchase, resulting in 328i owners defending that there isn't as big of a performance difference as being claimed. Its been going on since February, not sure if it will ever end.
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Can you provide some examples of the hate you are seeing? What I typically see on this forum is some 335i owners who like to pat themselves on the back for their "enthusiast only car" purchase, resulting in 328i owners defending that there isn't as big of a performance difference as being claimed. Its been going on since February, not sure if it will ever end.
I'd like to say that I see a lot posts between the 328i and 335i owners. People act like they're different cars. They are pretty damn similar, the 335i costs more but not much. I believe it's both 328i and 335i owners who think one is better than the other. 328i owners keep trying to put down the 335i feeling like they have to justify their purchase and vice versa.

I've seen some people tout the 328i as being the enthusiast's car as well. They keep stating how nimble it is.
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