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      11-16-2012, 08:45 PM   #67
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Also is digital radio worth it? Looking at the station list it seems like a toy just to impress your friends with not much value.
From a sound quality point of view, absolutely NOT!!! I am very disappointed with DAB+ quality. It lacks any real dynamic range, sounds harsh and does not take advantage of its technology. Frequency response leave a lot to be desired.
Of course, I am only putting forward my experience with DAB from listening to it in the car.

We have a small DAB unit at home and it is too small to gauge proper quality from.

Anyway, yes, DAB has lots of channels to choose from, so if you like variety, the DAB is good value. If you like music without idiot announcers talking rubbish with each other, then some DAB channels are for you (me).

Nova Nation is pretty much 99% music WITHOUT chatter. Great for music. Bird radio is great for 5 seconds and Chemist Warehouse has easy listening music with ads for……I will let you guess.

So it does work for some like me, as long as you know its limitations. And no, you won't impress your friends as no one will know the difference between DAB & FM for sound quality. Probably yes to DAB & AM but the AM stations are on DAB anyway.
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      11-16-2012, 09:05 PM   #68
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Thanks for the feedback David. Actually, I might not have to even bother if this article is true... goes to show I should read other sub-forums before shooting from the hip

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=770807

As for dealing with the sun, I'm starting to lean towards a tint - particularly for the side windows forward of the B pillar.
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      11-16-2012, 09:24 PM   #69
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From a sound quality point of view, absolutely NOT!!! I am very disappointed with DAB+ quality. It lacks any real dynamic range, sounds harsh and does not take advantage of its technology. Frequency response leave a lot to be desired.
Of course, I am only putting forward my experience with DAB from listening to it in the car.

We have a small DAB unit at home and it is too small to gauge proper quality from.

Anyway, yes, DAB has lots of channels to choose from, so if you like variety, the DAB is good value. If you like music without idiot announcers talking rubbish with each other, then some DAB channels are for you (me).

Nova Nation is pretty much 99% music WITHOUT chatter. Great for music. Bird radio is great for 5 seconds and Chemist Warehouse has easy listening music with ads for……I will let you guess.

So it does work for some like me, as long as you know its limitations. And no, you won't impress your friends as no one will know the difference between DAB & FM for sound quality. Probably yes to DAB & AM but the AM stations are on DAB anyway.

I guess I'm not an audio buff but I find it quite clear and crisp. I like the variety and no ads, so its a winner for me, but if I had to limit the options I was choosing due to $$ it would probably be one of the first to go.
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Thanks for the feedback David. Actually, I might not have to even bother if this article is true... goes to show I should read other sub-forums before shooting from the hip

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=770807

As for dealing with the sun, I'm starting to lean towards a tint - particularly for the side windows forward of the B pillar.
I haven't tinted mine yet, but I most likely will in the next few weeks, although I've never heard of it costing $800-$1000 before. I think I paid $400 for the 1M Coupe for a dealer install, I thought it would cost less if I go direct.
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      11-16-2012, 09:28 PM   #71
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When I first got my car I was a bit disappointed with the DAB. But I have just had an E91 loan car for a week (without DAB) and the FM signal had so much static. You don't get that with DAB. So now I am happy with that choice.

So far I have only found that in Melb only Gold 104.3 displays song name.
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Thanks for the feedback David. Actually, I might not have to even bother if this article is true... goes to show I should read other sub-forums before shooting from the hip

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=770807

As for dealing with the sun, I'm starting to lean towards a tint - particularly for the side windows forward of the B pillar.
The factory tint is much nicer than aftermarket based on what I've seen.
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      11-16-2012, 11:05 PM   #73
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Just a bit of context... I was oirignally ogling the 320i because the engine was a significant leap over the E90. However, after adding on the price of real leather and nav, i realised it wasn't much extra to go for the 328i from that point.

So in the end i decided to stretch for the 328i. I thought for the sake of a few $$$ i am at risk of making myself unhappy.

The toys/performance equation likewise killed the 320d off my list. I nearly went the 320d with the power kit.
Coming from the GTI I was convinced I'd want the 328i. Loved the performance and as I've said in other threads the N20 engine is superior in every way to the GTI except for the sound. It's a real shame it sounds so ordinary, and very diesel like (I thought the GTI was diesel like at idle, the N20 is a lot less inspiring).

Anyway, I drove the 335i M Sport and it really surprised me. I expected a lazier 6-cyl experience. It sounded great and had peak torque figures very similar to the N20 (technically slightly better at 1200rpm). The 335 delivered a very similar drive to the N20, but with the great I6 soundtrack.

I settled on the 335i M Sport and have spec'ed the M Performance exhaust also.

Now the wait, January 2013 build...going to be a long one.
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      11-16-2012, 11:37 PM   #74
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Thanks for the feedback David. Actually, I might not have to even bother if this article is true... goes to show I should read other sub-forums before shooting from the hip

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=770807

As for dealing with the sun, I'm starting to lean towards a tint - particularly for the side windows forward of the B pillar.
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      11-17-2012, 12:32 AM   #75
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Thanks for the feedback David. Actually, I might not have to even bother if this article is true... goes to show I should read other sub-forums before shooting from the hip

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=770807

As for dealing with the sun, I'm starting to lean towards a tint - particularly for the side windows forward of the B pillar.
That might be UK only. Would pay to check with BMW AU before assuming it will arrive on your car, every country has different standard kit and option packages/limitations.
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      11-17-2012, 07:01 AM   #76
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Coming from the GTI I was convinced I'd want the 328i. Loved the performance and as I've said in other threads the N20 engine is superior in every way to the GTI except for the sound. It's a real shame it sounds so ordinary, and very diesel like (I thought the GTI was diesel like at idle, the N20 is a lot less inspiring).

Anyway, I drove the 335i M Sport and it really surprised me. I expected a lazier 6-cyl experience. It sounded great and had peak torque figures very similar to the N20 (technically slightly better at 1200rpm). The 335 delivered a very similar drive to the N20, but with the great I6 soundtrack.

I settled on the 335i M Sport and have spec'ed the M Performance exhaust also.

Now the wait, January 2013 build...going to be a long one.

That is one heck of a car you will be driving in no time.
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      11-17-2012, 07:31 AM   #77
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Except for the 318d, although us enthusiasts here wouldn't consider it anyway.

Sorry that's right forgot bout that.
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      11-18-2012, 01:14 AM   #78
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I am trying to play spot the difference with the extended display. As far as i can tell, the differences are

- digital consumption needle instead of analogue
- digital readout for energy recovery. Dont know what it is actually telling me
- extended always will show gear selector where standard may not
- extended shows speed limit indicator (irrelevant for me as i didnt option that)
- maybe trip computer, lists is not overwritten by service indicators in extended
- extended repeats nav directions and standard doesnt

The us version of the owners manual doesnt say where the driving experience indicator is for the extended display. It says for standard it is displayed in the status Area (zone 3)
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      11-20-2012, 01:57 AM   #79
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That is one heck of a car you will be driving in no time.
Some good news - my build week has been bought forward to 20121250 - starting around 10th December. Still confirmed with new Nav and M Sport.

What lead/shipping times have AU/NZ owners experienced for SA built cars?
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Some good news - my build week has been bought forward to 20121250 - starting around 10th December. Still confirmed with new Nav and M Sport.

What lead/shipping times have AU/NZ owners experienced for SA built cars?
Hey! Funny! I was offered that date.

But for the sake of a few weeks i asked for jan 2013 in case they make any improvements and retool during the xmas break. You know.... Stuff like implementing the new steering components ;-) i also figured i get the benefit of having the build date in 2013 for resale
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Hey! Funny! I was offered that date.

But for the sake of a few weeks i asked for jan 2013 in case they make any improvements and retool during the xmas break. You know.... Stuff like implementing the new steering components ;-) i also figured i get the benefit of having the build date in 2013 for resale
They won't change anything, I'm pretty sure of that. They've already made changes on 1 November -- they won't change it again.

Resale value in NZ is based on month of registration -- which will be late Jan/early Feb.
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They won't change anything, I'm pretty sure of that. They've already made changes on 1 November -- they won't change it again.

Resale value in NZ is based on month of registration -- which will be late Jan/early Feb.
One other thing that appears to have happened since Nov 1, Comfort Access is now standard on the 335i (in NZ at least) and my car price has dropped accordingly.
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Hey! Funny! I was offered that date.

But for the sake of a few weeks i asked for jan 2013 in case they make any improvements and retool during the xmas break. You know.... Stuff like implementing the new steering components ;-) i also figured i get the benefit of having the build date in 2013 for resale
CKau, what location code do you have on your order? Mine says T002. Not sure if that is the plant or something else?
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In regard to the DAB+, I've changed my view on it since I sorted out my equaliser settings.

It's quite good and when I run split-screen it's good being able to see track and artist information, it lets me check out more music by an artist I like when I don't catch the back-announcement.

The tint I had the dealership do prior to delivery is top notch, and I know I get to take it straight back if there's any problems. Again, having had time in a car with no tint (and I do a south to north commute so I get blasted with the sun morning and evening) I wouldn't have it any other way.

I have the Extended display and have spent time in a car that doesn't have it. It's not a must have, but I'd definitely choose it if I had a "go-over".
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Regarding tinting, the information I've received (which is supported by observations I've made) is that dealership tinting is often quite different from what you will get with a professional tinter or a company like SolAce.

Apparently tinting elements have a thermal rating in addition to their visual light rating. So a tint may eliminate 65% of natural light, but only eliminate 30% of the radiant heat. Apparently dealership tints tend to be this type - looks good on the car, but doesn't do much to reduce heat.

Professional tinters tend to use the same elements manufactured for household window tinting, which often has a thermal rating equal or close to the visual light rating. This is also how these companies have access to darker-than-legal tint, because they use them for houses.

I had my sides and rear window tinted with 20% (80% light reduction) tints that also had 70% thermal reduction and it ended up costing me $270. They guy that did it will go down to 5% tints (95% reduction) but cautioned that at that level, there's a good chance of getting pulled over or having an insurance company deny your claim if they feel the tints were the cause of an accident (and speaking as a former insurance claim investigator, they'll find a way). I've never heard of anyone that has gotten fined or even pulled over for 20% tints, but it's always a gamble.

(Edit: Added in an image to show off new tints)
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Oz did you get carbon, metallic or ceramic tint? Reflect Effect did carbon 20% on mine and it looks great. Was advised metallic will interfere with the antenna on the rear window.
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Oz did you get carbon, metallic or ceramic tint? Reflect Effect did carbon 20% on mine and it looks great. Was advised metallic will interfere with the antenna on the rear window.
I got metallic. The guy did caution that on some cars metallic tints can interfere with in-glass antennas so we tested it first by laying the tint on the outside of the glass and then tuning multiple stations on both the AM and FM bands. We had no problems at all, the guy said he does a lot of BMWs and he never has a problem with the newer ones, but it was the first F30 he had done.

The only problem we had was the roof brake light on the rear window - on E92s the guy says it can just be unclipped and dropped down but he couldn't get my brake light off the roof, so in the end he had to cut around it.

Overall I'm very happy with the job, and the price.
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CKau, what location code do you have on your order? Mine says T002. Not sure if that is the plant or something else?
Copy of order detail attached, anyone know what 'Location' relates to?
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