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      11-30-2012, 08:12 PM   #89
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Your original post that I quoted makes no reference to sport seats or sport suspension.

I'm quite aware that the sport seats and sport suspension are exclusive to the M-sport and Sport lines (in the US) and never insinuated otherwise. Just pointing out that compared to No-line/Modern/Luxury, you do get something other than cosmetic improvements with the M-sport package.
My bad, not the one you quoted, the one after that.
Guess I "assumed" you took the time to read it as it's right there, the next post.
Here's part of that post right before the one you posted.

"I guess I have to be more accurate then.
Msport is a cosmetic pkg added to a sport line model.
Is that better? "

Note: "...added to a sport line model."

Perhaps you missed that post as you then go on to tell me what's in an Msport regarding sport seats and sport suspension, as if I don't already have one.
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Perhaps you missed that post as you then go on to tell me what's in an Msport regarding sport seats and sport suspension, as if I don't already have one.
Since you own an M-sport go ahead and measure that big 14.6" rotor so you can be at peace
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      11-30-2012, 08:18 PM   #91
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Since you own an M-sport go ahead and measure that big 14.6" rotor so you can be at peace
I'm a very peaceful guy, unlike you who loves to argue for arguments sake.
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      11-30-2012, 08:19 PM   #92
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If you go to dealers, you hardly see MSport. So I assume no one'e mom is ordering M Sport!
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      11-30-2012, 08:22 PM   #93
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That post is old, and does have some incorrect info in it.

You can look up the part numbers yourself, or you can measure your own car. You seem to be the only person on these boards refusing to recognize the bigger brake size of the M-sports (non M Performance), so really don't know what to tell you?

http://realoem.com/bmw/partxref.do?p...ur=&series=F30 (non M-sport front brake disc) These are the 13.4" version, which is the standard on the 335i, and optional rotor size for 328i M-sport.

http://realoem.com/bmw/partxref.do?p...ur=&series=F30 (M-sport front brake disc) These are only for 335i/335ix/AH3 M-sport, and are the 14.6" version.

The "slotted" version available as part of the M-performance brake package is is this: http://realoem.com/bmw/partxref.do?p...7603&showus=on
Looked at your threads, still no showing of OEM rotors.

What it does show is the optional Msport, "if equipped".

Got anything clearer that states "OEM rotor for 335i Msport"?
That would be very clear.
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      11-30-2012, 08:28 PM   #94
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I'm a very peaceful guy, unlike you who loves to argue for arguments sake.
Not arguing, just wishing you wouldn't point out incorrect info as facts.
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Got anything clearer that states "OEM rotor for 335i Msport"?
That would be very clear.
Sure thing: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...49&hg=34&fg=07

You'll be looking for part number 34106797606.
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      11-30-2012, 08:42 PM   #96
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Not arguing, just wishing you wouldn't point out incorrect info as facts.
Wait, slow down.

What am I pointing out as incorrect?

I posted a thread, that I did not write.
It's clearly still in this forum as posted by a moderator.

Is it incorrect? I don't know.
That is the source I am using.

You say it is wrong, Ok, where's your info/source?

I'm at the real oem link, but I'm not seeing the larger rotors listed as OEM.
They are listed as "if equipped".
That's the question though.
You say Msport are OEM equipped with M sport brakes.
The moderator posted thread says they are not.

Realoem doesn't help here.

Please explain what is what using the part numbers listed there.
I really am curious now and want to know what's up.
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      11-30-2012, 08:57 PM   #97
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Sure thing: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...49&hg=34&fg=07

You'll be looking for part number 34106797606.
There are 4 rotors listed.
Part # ending in:
2223
7606
7602
7603

Is 2223 the OEM for non Msport 335i?

Part# ....7606 is for which model? You're saying it's the OEM Msport rotor.

Part# ....7602 shows it to be 340x30, which is around 13.5"

Part# ...7603 show it to be 370x30, that's the larger rotor with the dimpled surface.

So, which is the OEM rotor for an 335i Msport?
Is it 7606 that shows no size?
What 335i gets the 7602 rotor?

From my understanding, 335i's in any line, mod, lux, sport or Msport get the 340x30 front rotors. These are larger than what the 328i's get.

The question is not that "M sport" brakes are the same as
"M performance" brakes.
The question is, do Msport F30's get the "M sport/M performance" brakes as OEM/standard, not as option.

You're saying that US spec Msport, 328i or 335i, get the same size rotors and same calipers as the "M performance" brakes, except for the dimples and colored calipers. Yes?
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There are 4 rotors listed.
Part # ending in:
2223
7606
7602
7603

Is 2223 the OEM for non Msport 335i?
Yes, the 2223 is the 13.4" non-M-sport front rotor. Not slotted.

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Part# ....7606 is for which model? You're saying it's the OEM Msport rotor.
7606 is the 14.6" for the 335i M-sport. It is non-slotted, just as the above part, and both are referenced in the diagram as 01. This is the front rotor on your car.

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Part# ....7602 shows it to be 340x30, which is around 13.5"
7602 is the 13.4" slotted M-Performance brake rotor. This part can be use as either the 335i rear Performance rotor, or the 328i front M-Performance rotor. Not sure why the catalog leads us here, grouped with 335i "front" rotors. But realoem is not infallible. It is referenced as 02 on the diagram, pointing out its slotted/dimpled design. Note that the rotors are not to scale.

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Part# ...7603 show it to be 370x30, that's the larger rotor with the dimpled surface.
This is the 14.6" front rotor for just the M-performance brake kit. Notice this part and 7602 specifically mention "Original BMW Accessories" because in the US, they are not factory-fitted parts, rather dealer/VPC accessories.

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So, which is the OEM rotor for an 335i Msport?
Is it 7606 that shows no size?
Yes, the 7606.

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What 335i gets the 7602 rotor?
7602 is only designed for the rear 335i M-performance rotor.

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From my understanding, 335i's in any line, mod, lux, sport or Msport get the 340x30 front rotors. These are larger than what the 328i's get.
Correct, except for M-sport.

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The question is not that "M sport" brakes are the same as
"M performance" brakes.
The question is, do Msport F30's get the "M sport/M performance" brakes as OEM/standard, not as option.
M-sport = larger rotors for both 328i and 335i. Calipers are the same as M-performance, but only available as gray (are blue in other countries). Pads are the same, I believe. The $3K M-performance option only gets you slotted/dimpled rotors, and a different color caliper.

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You're saying that US spec Msport, 328i or 335i, get the same size rotors and same calipers as the "M performance" brakes, except for the dimples and colored calipers. Yes?
Correct.
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      11-30-2012, 09:39 PM   #99
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I have only come across another F30 M sport and it was parked at a dealer in CT. I have yet to see one on the road...
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SamS, you have astounding patience.
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Since you own an M-sport go ahead and measure that big 14.6" rotor so you can be at peace
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I'm a very peaceful guy, unlike you who loves to argue for arguments sake.

RPM90, have you measured your brakes?
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I'm at the real oem link, but I'm not seeing the larger rotors listed as OEM.
They are listed as "if equipped".
That's because all 335i variants sold in Canada and the USA have the same size rotors. There are two exceptions to this:

1) with the M Sport option, Canadian buyers of F30-335i can order "M Sport brakes" @ extra cost of $350 = larger, lightweight rotors (370mm front and 345mm rear), Brembo blue M callipers and upgraded hubs,

2) for USA buyers of F30, the "M Performance brakes" are a port-installed option available @ extra cost of $2300-2700. These brakes are the same as M Sport brakes, except the rotors are drilled and slotted and the callipers are painted in red or yellow.
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well if anyone is interested, I'll be taking off my f30 335i msport brakes and putting on the m performance package. I am selling this slightly used set. I just picked up my car 2 days ago and will be putting the brakes on next week. Good opportunity for someone to upgrade or paint the calipers the way they want. I dont have a price yet being that im not certain of the going rate so if anyone does shoot me a line

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Yes, the 2223 is the 13.4" non-M-sport front rotor. Not slotted.



7606 is the 14.6" for the 335i M-sport. It is non-slotted, just as the above part, and both are referenced in the diagram as 01. This is the front rotor on your car.



7602 is the 13.4" slotted M-Performance brake rotor. This part can be use as either the 335i rear Performance rotor, or the 328i front M-Performance rotor. Not sure why the catalog leads us here, grouped with 335i "front" rotors. But realoem is not infallible. It is referenced as 02 on the diagram, pointing out its slotted/dimpled design. Note that the rotors are not to scale.



This is the 14.6" front rotor for just the M-performance brake kit. Notice this part and 7602 specifically mention "Original BMW Accessories" because in the US, they are not factory-fitted parts, rather dealer/VPC accessories.


Yes, the 7606.



7602 is only designed for the rear 335i M-performance rotor.



Correct, except for M-sport.



M-sport = larger rotors for both 328i and 335i. Calipers are the same as M-performance, but only available as gray (are blue in other countries). Pads are the same, I believe. The $3K M-performance option only gets you slotted/dimpled rotors, and a different color caliper.



Correct.
In the spirit of giving people the correct OEM Msport brake size, I measured my brakes on my 335i Msport.
They are NOT anywhere near 14.6".
They are around 13" to 13.?", somewhere closer to 13.5".
It's obviously hard to measure them exactly as there is no way to get a straight shot at them while mounted.
But again, not anywhere near 14.6".

OEM Msport brakes are not the larger M sport brakes, not in the US, as I have been trying to explain.
"M sport brakes" and "M performance brakes" are OPTIONAL not OEM/standard.

When you get your Msport, please measure your OEM/non optional brakes for verification.

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SamS, you have astounding patience.
Patience is a good virtue.
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RPM90, have you measured your brakes?
Yes. See my post.
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That's because all 335i variants sold in Canada and the USA have the same size rotors. There are two exceptions to this:

1) with the M Sport option, Canadian buyers of F30-335i can order "M Sport brakes" @ extra cost of $350 = larger, lightweight rotors (370mm front and 345mm rear), Brembo blue M callipers and upgraded hubs,

2) for USA buyers of F30, the "M Performance brakes" are a port-installed option available @ extra cost of $2300-2700. These brakes are the same as M Sport brakes, except the rotors are drilled and slotted and the callipers are painted in red or yellow.
For the US, that is exactly what I was saying.
"M sport/performance" is an OPTION, but not the OEM standard that is put on US Msports.

Thanks for adding to the forums information.
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well if anyone is interested, I'll be taking off my f30 335i msport brakes and putting on the m performance package. I am selling this slightly used set. I just picked up my car 2 days ago and will be putting the brakes on next week. Good opportunity for someone to upgrade or paint the calipers the way they want. I dont have a price yet being that im not certain of the going rate so if anyone does shoot me a line

James
Yes, please post the exact measurement.

If you get something different than on my Msport, I'd be really interested in knowing that, and then why.
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I have yet to see a " line" f30. I only see the base f30 on the road. With that said, I barely see any f30s. At my dealership, They have a 328 msprt, and I have to say the front looks so much nicer than any other line. I notice that a base f30 328 is priced around $38,000. This could be the reason why I have only seen base f30s.
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