Rust in F30 Seats Problem Goes Global (& Viral)

bcoz · 12-06-2012, 07:00 AM

FYI, the rust in F30 seats problem has gone global, with one South Korean owner destroying his F30 in protest...

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=777392

The "Rust in Seat Base ?" thread by therudies86 which was originally posted in the Australian forum has also gone global, and has moved to the General forum (I assume for greater exposure)...

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=726583

As a result of the exposure, some owners in the US are reporting similar rust problems in their new F30s. Refer to the above threads for more info.

EDIT: For completeness, I added the poll from Post #17 into this post:

[Poll] Do you have rusty seat frame bases?

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=781312

Spikey · 12-06-2012, 07:28 AM

wow, 7 pages and growing since yesterday......

better go check mine. I must admit, totally forgot about this.....

J1n · 12-06-2012, 07:49 AM

mine attached

Tra08R · 12-06-2012, 07:54 AM

took my car to the Dealership... getting my rusty seats "fixed"... yeah right..

the rust on my car is on the fucking Hinges!!!

dcg71 · 12-06-2012, 03:41 PM

Agree, it should not happen, but really, its surface rust under a seat. There are a lot worse things that can go wrong with a car. I think its been blown out of proportion to some extent.

Dabaitu · 12-06-2012, 08:28 PM

First world problem.

SJ00 · 12-07-2012, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dabaitu

First world problem.

but a problem nonetheless

Dabaitu · 12-07-2012, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by newbmwuser

but a problem nonetheless

I'm missing your point. You quote me saying "first world problem" by replying "but a problem nonetheless".

I've got some rust spots on the base of my sports seats in the 328, but if this is my biggest problem in the world right now I reckon I'm doing pretty good.

SJ00 · 12-07-2012, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Dabaitu

I'm missing your point. You quote me saying "first world problem" by replying "but a problem nonetheless".

I've got some rust spots on the base of my sports seats in the 328, but if this is my biggest problem in the world right now I reckon I'm doing pretty good.

When someone says 'first world problem', it generally means we consider ourselves spoilt and make an big deal out of a non-issue. What I meant was, however insignificant it may be, a problem still exists, and is something that BMW should be addressing.

But hey, as you said, everyone here must be doing pretty decent, considering we're on the internet complaining about a little rust in a portion of the seat that isnt really visible...

J1n · 12-07-2012, 11:00 PM

Well I don't see a big issue if they replace it.

The issue in fact the way I see it is how did it pass QC. And was there any issues getting their dealer to rectify the problem

shivaswrath · 12-07-2012, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J1n

Well I don't see a big issue if they replace it.

The issue in fact the way I see it is how did it pass QC. And was there any issues getting their dealer to rectify the problem

The issue is BMw isn't replacing it for us.

J1n · 12-08-2012, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by shivaswrath

The issue is BMw isn't replacing it for us.

Ok I thought I read somewhere that some seats got replaced. Hm interesting

Spikey · 12-08-2012, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J1n

Ok I thought I read somewhere that some seats got replaced. Hm interesting

Appears the rust on the seat got removed, not seat replaced:
http://www.f30post.com/forums/showpo...9&postcount=13
http://www.f30post.com/forums/showpo...7&postcount=41

shivaswrath · 12-08-2012, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J1n

Ok I thought I read somewhere that some seats got replaced. Hm interesting

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spikey

Appears the rust on the seat got removed, not seat replaced:
http://www.f30post.com/forums/showpo...9&postcount=13
http://www.f30post.com/forums/showpo...7&postcount=41

Exactly.

So, until BMW paints new seat rails and sends them out to dealers for a recall, nothing will happen.

But given how tight there margins have been recently, I don't see that happening.

CKau · 12-08-2012, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J1n

Well I don't see a big issue if they replace it.

The issue in fact the way I see it is how did it pass QC. And was there any issues getting their dealer to rectify the problem

Maybe the rust happened during transit, so QC wont catch that situation. Apparently BMW have owned up that the base was not rust proofed during manufacture, but will be From Nov 12 builds onwards

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=161

Although... Small caveat that this forum member was quoting BMW Korea.

bcoz · 12-10-2012, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CKau

Maybe the rust happened during transit, so QC wont catch that situation.

That's true, it's possible that the rust set in during the 6 weeks or so the car spent at sea or on the docks (plus a few more weeks before delivery).

Quote:

Apparently BMW have owned up that the base was not rust proofed during manufacture, but will be From Nov 12 builds onwards

But by admitting that the base was not rust proofed is another quality control failure (and from that we can also assume the seat bases were previously rust proofed, eg. for E9x models and other series).

If the lack of rust proofing was the fault of the seat supplier, then BMW QC should have picked up on such a major change in component specifications (inadvertent or otherwise). Alternatively, if the lack of rust proofing was the result of a deliberate change in BMW design specifications, then such a change should only have been approved after rigorous testing by BMW (comfort, stress, durability, etc). Either way, it's a major failure by BMW.

Quality control is not limited to operation and visual aesthetics. It's also about comfort, build, ambience, performance, durability, etc.

bcoz · 12-17-2012, 09:44 PM

[Poll] Do you have rusty seat frame bases?

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=781312

Tra08R · 12-24-2012, 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bcoz

That's true, it's possible that the rust set in during the 6 weeks or so the car spent at sea or on the docks (plus a few more weeks before delivery).

But by admitting that the base was not rust proofed is another quality control failure (and from that we can also assume the seat bases were previously rust proofed, eg. for E9x models and other series).

If the lack of rust proofing was the fault of the seat supplier, then BMW QC should have picked up on such a major change in component specifications (inadvertent or otherwise). Alternatively, if the lack of rust proofing was the result of a deliberate change in BMW design specifications, then such a change should only have been approved after rigorous testing by BMW (comfort, stress, durability, etc). Either way, it's a major failure by BMW.

Quality control is not limited to operation and visual aesthetics. It's also about comfort, build, ambience, performance, durability, etc.

They blame every friggin thing on the supplier.. and that was coming from head of customer support at their head office. clowns.

J1n · 12-24-2012, 08:22 AM

Does anyone know what they use to clean those spots?

Tra08R · 12-27-2012, 04:57 AM

WD40

F30AM · 12-29-2012, 08:21 AM

Blame this lot:
Global Website:
http://www.lear.com/en/contact/locations.aspx

We've got the same problem.

Imagine, millions of seats in cars, planes, trains etc all rusting away!

Tra08R · 12-29-2012, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F30AM

Blame this lot:
Global Website:
http://www.lear.com/en/contact/locations.aspx

We've got the same problem.

Imagine, millions of seats in cars, planes, trains etc all rusting away!

gd one.

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bcoz spectator Drives: 330d Sedan Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 353 iTrader: (0)	Rust in F30 Seats Problem Goes Global (& Viral) FYI, the rust in F30 seats problem has gone global, with one South Korean owner destroying his F30 in protest... http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=777392 The "Rust in Seat Base ?" thread by therudies86 which was originally posted in the Australian forum has also gone global, and has moved to the General forum (I assume for greater exposure)... http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=726583 As a result of the exposure, some owners in the US are reporting similar rust problems in their new F30s. Refer to the above threads for more info. EDIT: For completeness, I added the poll from Post #17 into this post: [Poll] Do you have rusty seat frame bases? http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=781312 Last edited by bcoz; 01-08-2013 at 08:55 PM. Reason: Added the Poll.
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