Login
12-01-2012, 07:54 PM | #23 |
Major General
![]() ![]() 560
Rep 5,771
Posts |
N54>N55
i really wish the f30 had the N54.
__________________
F30 328i Alpine white/Coral red Msport 6MT, HK, Zenons, msport brakes, black grills and black side sills. mperformance exhaust
![]() |
Appreciate
0
|
12-03-2012, 12:31 AM | #24 |
Major
![]() ![]() 65
Rep 1,045
Posts
Drives: 2016 F10-535dx
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: YVR
|
This is not indicated by most road tests of the N55. If you need more power, maybe you should consider the added horsepower offered by the M Performance package that will be available in a few months time.
In any case, the N55 is a much more fuel efficient engine than the N54. ![]()
__________________
2016-535dx M Sport, Exec. Pkg, DA Pkg, 20" M Sport alloys Style 434
|
Appreciate
0
|
12-03-2012, 01:05 AM | #25 | |
Colonel
![]() 556
Rep 2,004
Posts |
Quote:
Which is why I avoid the 35i- engines in the F30 and F10.. they are just trying to wring out as much profit as they can from unknowledgeable consumers. The N54 when it came out on the e90 was a good buy, severely underrated and lots of potential. The current N55s barely squeak by in my book. The gap with the f30 M3 should be much larger, hence waiting for the M3 a better idea especially since the current f30 N55 should be updated quickly. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
12-04-2012, 11:55 AM | #26 | |
The Mechanic
![]() 25
Rep 142
Posts |
Quote:
On the other hand, not having to worry about your engine to fail is not convenience,it is reliability and these things all Matter for a stock engine. Power is not the only thing you expect from a 50-60k car. I don't drive a car to race every day, though, some kids might...
__________________
![]() ![]() Last edited by SamGh; 12-04-2012 at 12:02 PM. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
12-05-2012, 10:26 PM | #27 | |
Captain
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 46
Rep 666
Posts |
Quote:
![]() http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...5is_dyno_test/ |
|
Appreciate
0
|
12-05-2012, 11:18 PM | #28 |
Colonel
![]() ![]() 56
Rep 2,248
Posts |
$75,000?
__________________
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]F30 Sapphire Black 335i 6MT|2PE|4AB|LCSW|ZDH|ZMM|ZPP|ZCW|ZDA|ZDB|ZTP|5AC|4 15|688|Dinan Stage 1 Suspension and Shockware ECU tune
Previously - F30 335i, E46 M3, E39 530i, E46 325i |
Appreciate
0
|
12-06-2012, 02:19 AM | #29 | |
Major General
![]() ![]() 638
Rep 6,935
Posts |
Quote:
The N54 was/is one heck of an engine. I had one in my 135i. Look at enough dyno's of early N54's, later N54's, and N55's and you soon see that there is VERY little difference in maximum HP and torque output. Some will show the N55 producing more torque, some showing the N54 producing more HP. There appears to be as much variance between N54 engines as there is between N54 and N55 engines. It's a wash. Biggest, or at least most noticeable difference, is in throttle response, fuel economy, and emissions, which favor the N55, tuning potential goes to the N54. I don't see the N54 as having more "raw" performance, it's simply not proven stock for stock. My 135i N54 was very nice, strong. In my 335i the N55 in conjunction with the whole different drive line feels stronger and smoother to me, not that the N54 wasn't smooth. I'm just comparing how the whole car responds to throttle input. My N54 had awful throttle response, again, mostly due to BMW's tinkering to "correct" things. My 135i started with decent throttle response, and after a software update that was supposed to address long cranks and potential HPFP issues, throttle response was gone. My 335i's throttle response is excellent. "Comfort" has better response than my 135i did, and "sport" really sharpens it and I really prefer "sport" mode throttle response. As for the whole "lower cost version", BMW designed the N55 to be more cost effective to build, but that doesn't mean it's a "lower cost", meaning lesser", engine. Compared to the N54 the N55 has MORE advanced technology, not simplified. The N55 uses a twin scroll turbo, which is a more advanced turbo design made to operate with greater efficiency across a broader rpm range. To do that it uses a more advanced manifold that can flow to the lower rpm side of the twin scroll and then to the higher rpm side. Also the N55 includes valvetronic, which controls valve lift, and it responds quicker to throttle input. With valvetronic the engine doesn't require a throttle plate to control air flow to the cylinders, that's done by VT controlling intake valve openings Valvetronic is much more advanced technology than the N54's traditional throttle plate and valve control. The N55 is actually a very modern turbo engine design, being the first BMW engine to couple turbocharging with valvetronic intake control. With all the modern technology put into the N55 it is more fuel efficient and produces lower emissions compared to the N54. Does it cost less for BMW to build? BMW say it does. But that's an advancement, a positive not a negative. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
12-06-2012, 02:28 AM | #30 | |
Major General
![]() ![]() 638
Rep 6,935
Posts |
Quote:
Good luck with your M3 purchase. ![]() BTW, get a new book. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
12-06-2012, 04:08 AM | #31 | |
The Mechanic
![]() 25
Rep 142
Posts |
Quote:
Well said, and great write up!
__________________
![]() ![]() |
|
Appreciate
0
|
12-06-2012, 11:09 AM | #32 |
Colonel
![]() 556
Rep 2,004
Posts |
|
Appreciate
0
|
12-06-2012, 12:32 PM | #33 |
Second Lieutenant
![]() 21
Rep 245
Posts |
|
Appreciate
0
|
12-06-2012, 12:36 PM | #34 |
Major General
![]() ![]() ![]() 688
Rep 6,119
Posts |
One thing is certain... if you have the N54, you will be forever at the mercy of a potentially faulty HPFP. Yes, I realize BMW has extended warranty on them.
The F30 N55, and N55 built after March 2012 have a different/redesigned HPFP than what was available via older N55 and all N54 motors.
__________________
2018 X3 M40i - current
2016 M3 - sold 2013 ActiveHybrid 3 - sold 2012 M3 coupe - sold |
Appreciate
0
|
12-07-2012, 11:34 PM | #35 | |
Major General
![]() ![]() 638
Rep 6,935
Posts |
Quote:
![]() What I offered is factual information. What you offer sounds like hyperbolic rhetoric. The N55 is one heck of a good screwing. ![]() |
|
Appreciate
0
|
12-09-2012, 10:39 AM | #36 |
Colonel
![]() 556
Rep 2,004
Posts |
|
Appreciate
0
|
12-09-2012, 11:33 AM | #37 |
New Member
1
Rep 13
Posts |
How much?
shahramghs, thanks for sharing. learning a lot from this thread.
would u mind sharing how much you paid for the car? I am kinda faced with a choice with a F30 335 MSport or a used E90 M3 comp pkg that are pretty close in price. |
Appreciate
0
|
12-10-2012, 02:38 AM | #39 | |
Brigadier General
![]() ![]() 75
Rep 3,558
Posts
Drives: F30 M-Sport 328i Estoril Blue
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Melbourne Australia
|
Quote:
I have to take my car in to my dealer for some minor fix ups next week. I will tackle them on the subject but I don't think anything will come of it. However, I wonder if the setting can be switched on through coding. Hmmmmm.
__________________
328i M-Sport, Estoril Blue, Carbon XP 35 Tint, front heated seats, black Dakota, Sports Suspension, Anthracite Headliner, HUD, Pro Nav, Sunroof, hk 600w, Bi-Xenon, 19" 403M wheels, Reversing Camera, DAB+, Xenon, BT Ext Connect. JB4 on Map 2 with Catless DP produces awesome performance in Sport.
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
12-14-2012, 02:31 PM | #40 |
The Mechanic
![]() 25
Rep 142
Posts |
I was able to get it 500 above invoice, which was a great deal knowing no one had the car I wanted in the area.
__________________
![]() ![]() |
Appreciate
0
|
12-14-2012, 02:54 PM | #41 |
5 Star General
![]() -31
Rep 2,602
Posts |
laughable how so many people refer to a lowered car in relation to being in high school or 'in my 20s'
other than that. i agree with most of what you said. i love my f30 m sport, but have to say there is just something extra there with my e90 in terms of connectedness to the car and driving feel |
Appreciate
0
|
12-14-2012, 03:31 PM | #42 | |
The Mechanic
![]() 25
Rep 142
Posts |
Quote:
![]()
__________________
![]() ![]() |
|
Appreciate
0
|
12-18-2012, 03:25 PM | #43 |
Brigadier General
![]() ![]() 392
Rep 3,561
Posts
Drives: 2017 M3
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Ventura County, CA
|
-Electric steering is AWESOME. I like how I don't have to wrestle with the steering wheel in low speeds.
lol......... |
Appreciate
0
|
Post Reply |
Bookmarks |
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
|
|