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      12-01-2012, 01:10 PM   #67
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Still sounds like a sowing machine, but now it's a poser
It's interesting how this seems to irritate people with M cars. Quad exhaust does not mean he's trying to emulate your car! I don't see an M3 badge on the back.
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      12-01-2012, 01:25 PM   #68
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Well...difference between M and 335i is much narrower than a 328i and 335i.

I would imagine most F30 335i owners didn't chose an M3 because its not out yet in the updated body style and because its not easy to DD an M3.
Yea, dont know where you heard that from. Maybe an E46 or previous generation, but not the E9X. Like butter, baby.

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Once done, ill have a car that should be almost as fast and easier to drive with better mpg than an M3.
Im currently at 18mpg on winter blend even. Just sayin...
I drove the current version M3...no way I could've manage that DD.
I drive 120 miles a day, minimum, so for me, not doable.
If I had a 35mile DD, M3 was more
Manageable.

Highway MPG is where I was sold with the F30 335i...on winter blend with knobby winter tires, 27mpg is amazingly cost effective for me. I've put 4,000 miles on the car and I bought it in mid-Oct!

Lets see post tune, but I usually score better mpg because the AF ratios are nicely leaned out...
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      12-01-2012, 01:57 PM   #69
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Highway MPG is where I was sold with the F30 335i...on winter blend with knobby winter tires, 27mpg is amazingly cost effective for me. I've put 4,000 miles on the car and I bought it in mid-Oct!
Well I can see where it would make more sense for your situation. I drive roughly 40 miles per day +/-10 so I can say that 120miles daily would suck in this car fuel wise. But the ///M is a wicked fun car.
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      12-01-2012, 11:43 PM   #72
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Well...difference between M and 335i is much narrower than a 328i and 335i.

I would imagine most F30 335i owners didn't chose an M3 because its not out yet in the updated body style and because its not easy to DD an M3.

With that said, I've already dropped $5k into my 335i and I've Owned it 2 months.

Once done, ill have a car that should be almost as fast and easier to drive with better mpg than an M3.
Didn't buy an M because of the extra cost, the gas mileage, it's in the last year of the model year (I love it), and I NEED 4 doors for the a dog. To me I've never liked the 4 door M3. The coupe seems right.

And, I want a new car now and I don't know what a new four-door M3 would even look like.
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      12-02-2012, 03:11 AM   #73
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i have to agree. The sound isnt that good (how bad does it sound in standard trim? was my first idea when watching the clip) and the fourth fake(popped on) outlet is .... well no comment on that .
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      12-02-2012, 03:25 AM   #74
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i have to agree. The sound isnt that good (how bad does it sound in standard trim? was my first idea when watching the clip) and the fourth fake(popped on) outlet is .... well no comment on that .
The 4th isn't fake. There's an internal funnel that routes exhaust to the fourth pipe...

A 4 cylinder will always sound like a 4 cylinder. In fact BMW M compared the sound of the F10 M5 with the sound of a race 4 cylinder engine (because of it's cross bank exhaust manifold).
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It's funny how much fuss two extra exhaust tips is causing
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There is nothing wrong with adding an exhaust like this, it has nothing to do with posing or trying to look like or sound like an 335i, M3. It's an aftermarket product that the buyer feels enhances the stock car, no different than adding body parts, wheels, etc. People that buy M3s, M5s, Ferraris, Lambos, etc still modify those cars, so what's wrong with someone adding to their 328i? Just amazes me how people come up with the ideas that this is wrong or fake.
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      12-02-2012, 07:30 AM   #76
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There is nothing wrong with adding an exhaust like this, it has nothing to do with posing or trying to look like or sound like an 335i, M3. It's an aftermarket product that the buyer feels enhances the stock car, no different than adding body parts, wheels, etc. People that buy M3s, M5s, Ferraris, Lambos, etc still modify those cars, so what's wrong with someone adding to their 328i? Just amazes me how people come up with the ideas that this is wrong or fake.
Function over form.
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      12-02-2012, 03:28 PM   #77
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Function over form.
Take a walk around Monaco and check out all the supercars that have been modified and are mostly just driven around town. Lot's of modifications are fueled by the desire to increase appearance and sound.

Most M3/M5's are driven at 1/10th of their capability 90% of the time and maybe at 5/10ths for the remaining 10%. So why do people that don't even come close to realising the cars potential buy these cars? Because of image and appearance perhaps?

"Image is everything" is just as valid as "Function over form". People are different and have different priorities thats why some are happy with a Toyota and others want a BMW. Some want a std. BMW and others want the M-sport package (is the M-sport package mostly appearance or is it really "function over form"???)
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There is nothing wrong with adding an exhaust like this, it has nothing to do with posing or trying to look like or sound like an 335i, M3. It's an aftermarket product that the buyer feels enhances the stock car, no different than adding body parts, wheels, etc. People that buy M3s, M5s, Ferraris, Lambos, etc still modify those cars, so what's wrong with someone adding to their 328i? Just amazes me how people come up with the ideas that this is wrong or fake.
Do you understand the general reason some cars have multiple exhaust exits, and why a 2.0 4cyl is not one of them? It's not about sound or looks although that usually follows when you have a car that actually should have 2-4 exits.

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Holy embarrassingly fake exhaust, Batman!

So that's one tip for each cylinder? Classy.

Super lame.
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      12-03-2012, 12:08 AM   #79
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sounds just ok to me. not what i was expecting.
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      12-03-2012, 04:36 AM   #80
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Do you understand the general reason some cars have multiple exhaust exits, and why a 2.0 4cyl is not one of them? It's not about sound or looks although that usually follows when you have a car that actually should have 2-4 exits.



Super lame.
Care to explain the "general reason" cars have multiple exhaust exits?

E36 M3 and E34 M5 both have dual tip exhausts from 6 cyl engines
E46 M3 have quad tip exhaust from 6 cyl engine

E60 4 cyl engines have single tip (oval) exhaust
F10 4 cyl engines have dual tip exhaust

The following pictures shows different cars that all have a double exhaust system, independently of engine configuration (V or Inline - 4 or 6 cyl).

E36 M3 exhaust system:



E46 M3 exhaust system:



E30 M3 exhaust system (4 cyl engine):



Ford Sierra Cosworth (2l Turbo 4cyl engine):



Koenigsegg have just one exhaust outlet:



4 cylinder cars with multiple exhaust tips:

Vauxhall Astra VXR (2l Turbo):



Golf GTI (2l Turbo 4 cyl):



Passat Alltrack (2l Diesel):



Ford Mondeo TDCi (2l Diesel):



As far as I can see, multiple exhaust tips are used mostly for appearance, and in some cases to get enough flow capacity.

In the future I suspect we will see 4 cyl M cars again (E30 M3 was 4 cyl) and I won't bet against them having the now mandatory quad exhaust tip.
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^^ Valid points. To add to the previous post I believe the new 2013 audi s3, which has a 4-cylinder, also has quad exhaust.

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Take a walk around Monaco and check out all the supercars that have been modified and are mostly just driven around town. Lot's of modifications are fueled by the desire to increase appearance and sound.

Most M3/M5's are driven at 1/10th of their capability 90% of the time and maybe at 5/10ths for the remaining 10%. So why do people that don't even come close to realising the cars potential buy these cars? Because of image and appearance perhaps?

"Image is everything" is just as valid as "Function over form". People are different and have different priorities thats why some are happy with a Toyota and others want a BMW. Some want a std. BMW and others want the M-sport package (is the M-sport package mostly appearance or is it really "function over form"???)
I understand what you're saying. I drive an M-Sport 335i because the aggressive front end appeals to my eyes. It's true that it may be useful in the future if I want to get a bigger turbo, but for now it is purely an "image is everything" choice. I understand this is subjective, and I'm not here to suggest that my view on design is correct and another's is wrong.

However, it would be naive to deny that there is a difference between a well balanced design and simply being gaudy. I think both BMW and Ferrari are companies that straddle that line perfectly. What I mean is the M-Sport is flashy, but it's not a hot-wheels racecar or a car you'd be embarrassed to chauffeur your boss around in.

Personally, as a car owner, I want to continue straddling that line by improving the image of the vehicle to suit my tastes without going overboard. It's the difference between set of chrome spinners, and a set of brushed titanium CSLs. It's the difference between a chrome wrap, and EBII. The difference between altezzas and LEDs. The difference between a roof scoop and a hood bulge. It's the difference between 2 exhaust finishers, and 4.

So if someone posts something that I believe to be over-the-top, then I'm going to make mention of it so that they may have the opportunity to re-evaluate the choice.

As for the exhaust in question, I would rather see a dual tip that mimics the 335i. The dual exhaust on one side is antiquated at best. And I'd like to see a 335i exhaust that pushes the tips out wider.

In the end, this is stupid. I much rather be outside right now driving my car.
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Care to explain the "general reason" cars have multiple exhaust exits?

As far as I can see, multiple exhaust tips are used mostly for appearance, and in some cases to get enough flow capacity.
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^^ Valid points. To add to the previous post I believe the new 2013 audi s3, which has a 4-cylinder, also has quad exhaust.
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The only reason the Audi S3 has quad tips and its a 4 cyl is to keep up the S line appearance. Its a cosmetic feature.
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The only reason the Audi S3 has quad tips and its a 4 cyl is to keep up the S line appearance. Its a cosmetic feature.
My point exactly. Quad tips are used mostly as an aesthetic feature.

Every "true" M car has quad pipes now; the 1M, M3, M5, M6, X5M and X6M.
The 1M has a 3l engine with 340hp and doesn't need quad pipes that flow the same volume of exhaust as the 4,4l M5/M6 560hp engine. Dual tips would have been sufficient (the E36 M3 has 321hp and manages with dual tips...), but for aesthetics quads are used.

To quote the official press release from BMW for the 1M:
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Last but not least, there are the obligatory four exhaust pipes on the back

Meaning that the 1M has quad pipes, not because it NEEDS it for engineering reasons, but because they are now deemed obligatory on an M car.

Some have argued that that feature is only acceptable on certain engine configurations... Like it's ok on a straight six E46 M3, but not on a straight 4 (like the 300hp Audi S3). Go figure the logic

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whats with the hate? I think it looks great..

just dont try putting an m badge there, then you'll look like a douche
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