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      12-20-2012, 02:22 PM   #1
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Buying Tires in USA

What happens if i drive over to the USA from canada with summer tires on. Then in the US i buy a set(4) of bridgestone LM-60 tires and also buy 4 alloy wheels mount them and install them on the car in US. Then put my 4 summer tires in the trunk and drive back over to canada.

New tires on car and old tires in trunk. If they search the car and find 4 summer tires, what should i say? or what will they do? Will i have to buy tax or duties if i get caught?

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      12-20-2012, 02:28 PM   #2
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I'd say i just bought them
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      12-20-2012, 02:32 PM   #3
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Tell them you were too lazy to take them out of the trunk. I doubt they will really even care.
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      12-20-2012, 02:39 PM   #4
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Does Canada have some anti-tire-smuggling law that I haven't heard about?
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      12-20-2012, 03:06 PM   #5
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Does Canada have some anti-tire-smuggling law that I haven't heard about?
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      12-20-2012, 03:39 PM   #6
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Does Canada have some anti-tire-smuggling law that I haven't heard about?
He's trying to get out of paying a duty/tax on the tires he buys in the US.
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      12-20-2012, 04:02 PM   #7
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Just tell them you stole them. How can they charge duties on something you didn't pay for?
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      12-20-2012, 04:02 PM   #8
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For starters, I doubt you'll fit them in the trunk... At best, the seats would have to be down and then they'll see them when they check your license. Whether or not they care depends, I suppose, on who you get. But they'd be in plain site
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      12-20-2012, 04:03 PM   #9
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Just tell them you stole them. How can they charge duties on something you didn't pay for?
May actually be onto something, do they charge a gift tax? I'm assuming so else everyone would say "it was a gift"
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      12-20-2012, 05:44 PM   #10
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tell them you went to a track event and hope they don't want to do a anal cavity search..lol
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      12-20-2012, 06:46 PM   #11
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Well, you just tell them you brought some US rubbers because they fit the occasion better than those Canadian ones, which were slippery-when-wet. You want them rough and spiky for your taste...they understand, right?

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I think you should hope the Canadian authorities don't read this forum and that your name is not really Dan.
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      12-20-2012, 07:00 PM   #13
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This sounds like a lot of work for tax evasion... How much are saving out of curiosity?
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This sounds like a lot of work for tax evasion... How much are saving out of curiosity?
Enough to help pay for Canadians socialized healthcare.
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For starters, I doubt you'll fit them in the trunk... At best, the seats would have to be down and then they'll see them when they check your license. Whether or not they care depends, I suppose, on who you get. But they'd be in plain site
This is actually a good point. No way they'll all go in the trunk. It'll likely have to be two in the trunk and two in the back seat.

Maybe hang them off of the front and rear bumpers and claim you use them to protect the car while it's parallel parked?
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This is actually a good point. No way they'll all go in the trunk. It'll likely have to be two in the trunk and two in the back seat.
And remember to protect your leather or pleather. Dirty tires can stain leather permanently due to the petroleum.

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Maybe hang them off of the front and rear bumpers and claim you use them to protect the car while it's parallel parked?
Best idea I heard all day.
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This is actually a good point. No way they'll all go in the trunk. It'll likely have to be two in the trunk and two in the back seat.

Maybe hang them off of the front and rear bumpers and claim you use them to protect the car while it's parallel parked?
Hahaha!

And im saving almost $1000 on the winter tires

But when crossing the boarder they ask if you purchased anything in US i then say no and what if they then decide to search the car?
Then they see 4 used summer tires and they check tires on the car, will they just tell me to pay tax and duty or am i in more trouble for lieing?
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IMO, you would be foolish to attempt this type of smuggling. Brand new snow tires/wheels would look rather obvious, especially with four summer tires/wheels in the trunk and/or on the back seat ! If you are caught @ the border by CBSA without making the appropriate declaration, you risk having your car confiscated and having your name entered into the CBSA databank as a "bad guy" ! Is it worth that kind of risk to save a few $$$ in duty and tax ?

If you stay 2 days, you can claim a $800 deduction and only pay tax/duty on the balance. The duty payable depends on the country of origin for the tires and wheels. There is no duty on US manufactured goods coming into Canada, only HST applicable on the amount beyond your eligible deduction. Most snow tires that fit the F30 are made in Europe, so a small duty would then be applied.
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Hahaha!

And im saving almost $1000 on the winter tires

But when crossing the boarder they ask if you purchased anything in US i then say no and what if they then decide to search the car?
Then they see 4 used summer tires and they check tires on the car, will they just tell me to pay tax and duty or am i in more trouble for lieing?
If Canadian customs is like the US, you are in pretty big trouble for falsifying your customs declaration.

Do the right thing and be honest. Simple and you'll sleep better.
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IMO, you would be foolish to attempt this type of smuggling. Brand new snow tires/wheels would look rather obvious, especially with four summer tires/wheels in the trunk and/or on the back seat ! If you are caught @ the border by CBSA without making the appropriate declaration, you risk having your car confiscated and having your name entered into the CBSA databank as a "bad guy" ! Is it worth that kind of risk to save a few $$$ in duty and tax ?

If you stay 2 days, you can claim a $800 deduction and only pay tax/duty on the balance. The duty payable depends on the country of origin for the tires and wheels. There is no duty on US manufactured goods coming into Canada, only HST applicable on the amount beyond your eligible deduction. Most snow tires that fit the F30 are made in Europe, so a small duty would then be applied.
+1 to that. You don't pay "tax and duties" if you get caught as your original post asks. You pay a penalty that is substantially higher than tax and duties (40% of the value I think?), and you'll be flagged in the system to be examined for the next several years. I wouldn't consider a few bucks saved worth the risk of years of extra hassle and virtual (if not literal) anal probing that would accompany getting caught.

Declare (and show the receipt), pay, and drive on. As mentioned, if you stay more than 48 hours, your exemption will lower what you owe by a considerable amount.

Those CBSA guys and gals (mostly) catch on to those sorts of things pretty quick. They have most likely seen some slightly more sophisticated attempts at smuggling.

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how much would it be to ship your old ones (summer)?
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      12-20-2012, 10:17 PM   #22
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how much would it be to ship your old ones (summer)?
More than the duty plus he'd have to complete a customs declaration for the international shipment. Duty either way unless he smuggles (or gets a nice customs guy who just lets it slide).
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