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      12-28-2012, 12:42 PM   #1
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Car and Driver's Annual Lightning Lap Competition at the Virginia International Raceway has taken place and the results are in. The F10 M5, F13 M6 coupe and the F30 335i sedan were tested and turned in the following times:


Full List by Times
Ferrari 458 - 2.49.9
Lexus LFA - 2.55.1
Chevy Camaro ZL1 - 2.57.5
Merc C63 Black Series - 2.58.0
Porsche 911 S - 2.58.9
Ford Shelby GT500 - 3.00.6
Chevy Camaro SS 1LE - 3.01.5
Jaguar XKR-S - 3.02.1
Porsche Boxster S - 3.04.2
Audi RS5 - 3.04.3
BMW M6 - 3.04.7
BMW M5 - 3.05.2
* BMW M3 (E92) - 3.05.4 (from last year's competition, for reference)
* BMW 1M Coupe - 3:06.6 (from last year's competition, for reference)
Audi S6 - 3.09.8
BMW 335i sedan - 3.13.2
Hyundai Genesis 3.8 R - 3.13.9
Dodge Charger Pursuit - 3.17.8
Subaru BRZ - 3.18.6
Ford Focus St - 3.21.4
Chevy Caprice PPV - 3.23.0
Fiat 500 Abarth - 3.27.3


LL1 Category
Hyundai Genesis 3.8 R - 3.13.9
Subaru BRZ - 3.18.6
Ford Focus St - 3.21.4
Fiat 500 Abarth - 3.27.3

LL2 Category
Chevy Camaro ZL1 - 2.57.5
Chevy Camaro SS 1LE - 3.01.5
BMW 335i sedan - 3.13.2

LL3 Category
Merc C63 Black Series - 2.58.0
Porsche 911 S - 2.58.9
Ford Shelby GT500 - 3.00.6
Porsche Boxster S - 3.04.2
Audi RS5 - 3.04.3
BMW M6 - 3.04.7
BMW M5 - 3.05.2

Audi S6 - 3.09.8

LL4 Category
Ferrari 458 - 2.49.9
Jaguar XKR-S - 3.02.1

LL5 Category
Lexus LFA - 2.55.1

Police Cars
Dodge Charger Pursuit - 3.17.8
Chevy Caprice PPV - 3.23.0


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      12-28-2012, 01:06 PM   #2
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Thanks for the link! It would be interesting to see how we'll the upcoming M3/M4 would do!
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      12-28-2012, 01:14 PM   #3
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The M5 and M6 did quite well given their weight.

The Camaro's times are impressive, great bang for the buck.

The 335 beat the Hyundai.
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      12-28-2012, 01:28 PM   #4
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My takeaway from that list is - wow great showing from the Genesis!
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      12-28-2012, 02:16 PM   #5
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Cool to see the states getting a track more dedicated for straight performance like the Nuremberg uses. Highlight of my tour here in Europe so far is getting 5 laps on the that track!!

Good to see the 335 still holding it's name strong for a solid sports sedan, also gota give credit to the Camaro for coming in just under a second to the GT500.
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      12-28-2012, 03:04 PM   #6
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The Camaro really is impressive... even the SS had great lap times. It's also good to see the C63 BS up there with the big guns... it is an impressive car too.
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      12-28-2012, 03:32 PM   #7
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Added the E92 M3 time (3:05.4) and 1M coupe time (3:06.6) from last year's competition, for reference.
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Sad that the 335i basically tied a Hyundai Genesis naturally aspirated 6 cylinder car.
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wow, the camaro zL1 stands out to me.
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Sad that the 335i basically tied a Hyundai Genesis naturally aspirated 6 cylinder car.
Why is it sad? The Hyundai is officially rated @ 348hp, comes standard with Brembo's and 19" wheels with sticky summer rubber and it STILL managed to be a hair slower than a 335i sport with 18's and standard brakes.

It may be upsetting that somebody could probably burn you at a stop light with their Hyundai, but let's face it - they're sitting inside of a plastic solo cup with an engine. (I'm very pro Hyundai/Kia by the way, they've made massive leaps and bounds - I seriously considered a Gen Coupe before going to the 3)

I'm most surprised about the GT500/ZL1...would've expected the new GT to be faster. That also means that ZL1 is a heck of a bargain.
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Sad that the 335i basically tied a Hyundai Genesis naturally aspirated 6 cylinder car.
Physics, hard to get away from.

The Gene has about the same weight, more hp(probably less tq though).
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      12-28-2012, 07:04 PM   #12
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Physics, hard to get away from.

The Gene has about the same weight, more hp(probably less tq though).
It really needs the PPK standard.
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Why is it sad? The Hyundai is officially rated @ 348hp, comes standard with Brembo's and 19" wheels with sticky summer rubber and it STILL managed to be a hair slower than a 335i sport with 18's and standard brakes.
The BMW in that video had the 19" wheel option on the sportline I believe which comes with sticky summer rubber I think.

My biggest disappointment is that the 335i has gained ZERO power (and in fact lost about 20hp up top) over 7 model years.

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It may be upsetting that somebody could probably burn you at a stop light with their Hyundai, but let's face it - they're sitting inside of a plastic solo cup with an engine. (I'm very pro Hyundai/Kia by the way, they've made massive leaps and bounds - I seriously considered a Gen Coupe before going to the 3)
Solo cup with an engine? You just said they had Brembos, and obviously you need a solid chassis to lap decent times; the car deserves more credit than that.

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I'm most surprised about the GT500/ZL1...would've expected the new GT to be faster. That also means that ZL1 is a heck of a bargain.
GT500 is a load faster in the straight line. The ZL1 has a superior suspension...same shocks as the ZR1.
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I don't know. Professional drivers must be able to come up with magic because I have drove the GT500 and the Camaro SS and there handling is lacking compared to the 3 series. They are great muscle cars but nose dive into the turns.
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The Genesis is lighter, has more hp and about the same tq. If anything the 335i should have been beaten by the Genesis.

The 335i time is about the same as the 135i. The S4 is about 3s faster but that car has a performance oriented awd system and more hp/tq. This is not a bad result for the 335i.
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I looked at some of the historical figures from last year and was thoroughly disappointed at the numbers BMW is putting out compared to some of the Chevy's and Fords. I expected straight line performance to be slower, but for the 'ultimate driving machine' to out class them on the track.

The thing that stood out the most was the Ford Mustang V6 and it basically equaling the 335i on the track. That seems ridiculous. For some reason I expected the 335i to keep up with the Mustang GT and Camaro SS, but that doesn't seem to be the case. And not sure what's up with the 335is being slower than the new 335i either, but the old 335i being faster (they talked about how much faster the early models were compared to the later ones, 2008ish vs later models).

Sadly the M3 isn't much faster (about 3 seconds) than the old Mustang GT, and I suspect would be slower than the current model as the new SS Camaro is about 3 seconds faster than the M3 (while costing about $30k less, talk about performance per $$$). The new Camaro ZL1 and Shelby GT500 just spank any of the M's, which just makes me sad since they cost substantially less. All that talk about the American cars being too heavy and the Mustang's dated live axle should just die now because they're just beasts in both a straight line and on the track, not to mention cheap. You can actually buy a ZL1 for about what you pay for a loaded 335i.

For reference:
Time / Car / Date
2.57.5 / Camaro ZL1/ New
3.00.6 / Shelby GT500 / New
3:01.5 / Camaro SS / New
3:05.4/ BMW M3/ Feb 2011
3:08.6/ Mustang GT 5.0 / Feb 2011
3:09.5/ Camaro SS / Feb 2010
3:10.5/ BMW 335i Coupe/ August 2007
3:13.2/ BMW 335i / New
3:13.3/ Ford Mustang V6 / Feb 2011
3:13.8/ BMW 335is / Feb 2012

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Am I the only one wondering what suspension the 335i was running?

If it was base, then this is a good time.

If it was Sportline, it's a bit underwhelming...
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Sad that the 335i basically tied a Hyundai Genesis naturally aspirated 6 cylinder car.
Hyundai. Wow. Are there times for the e90 335 for reference?

Edit: just saw the post above this one. Wonder how the coupe would do now.

Wheres the ats?? Lol
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The thing that stood out the most was the Ford Mustang V6 and it basically equaling the 335i on the track. That seems ridiculous. For some reason I expected the 335i to keep up with the Mustang GT and Camaro SS, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
And it is NOT the case. I swapped the cars with my coworker - N55 E92 ZSP 6MT (mine) with his V6 Premium Performance Pack Mustang for a whole weekend. There was NOTHING Mustang wouldn't do that my BMW could in my favorite twisties...

HOWEVER ... fill in the gaps.

Let's just say I had no problem having a car that costed DOUBLE to his and he had no problem keeping the car that costed HALF. Different strokes for different folks.

Heck, even my Jetta TDI 5MT can take most of those corners at the same speed ... but the FEEL is absolutely and completely different. Some idiots (like myself) are willing to pay for that feel, even if the numbers say it ain't so
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And it is NOT the case. I swapped the cars with my coworker - N55 E92 ZSP 6MT (mine) with his V6 Premium Performance Pack Mustang for a whole weekend. There was NOTHING Mustang wouldn't do that my BMW could in my favorite twisties...

HOWEVER ... fill in the gaps.

Let's just say I had no problem having a car that costed DOUBLE to his and he had no problem keeping the car that costed HALF. Different strokes for different folks.

Heck, even my Jetta TDI 5MT can take most of those corners at the same speed ... but the FEEL is absolutely and completely different. Some idiots (like myself) are willing to pay for that feel, even if the numbers say it ain't so
Although I can't speak for the V6 Mustang, I'm not surprised at all by what you say. I can say that my Mustang GT 5.0 puts a big assed grin on my face each time I get behind the wheel. With power, handling, comfort, tech, and good looks to boot, it's got it all. I've been driving for 45 years, and have owned some pretty nice cars in my time, but none have received the number of unsolicited complements that this car has.
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I looked at some of the historical figures from last year and was thoroughly disappointed at the numbers BMW is putting out compared to some of the Chevy's and Fords. I expected straight line performance to be slower, but for the 'ultimate driving machine' to out class them on the track.

The thing that stood out the most was the Ford Mustang V6 and it basically equaling the 335i on the track. That seems ridiculous. For some reason I expected the 335i to keep up with the Mustang GT and Camaro SS, but that doesn't seem to be the case. And not sure what's up with the 335is being slower than the new 335i either, but the old 335i being faster (they talked about how much faster the early models were compared to the later ones, 2008ish vs later models).

Sadly the M3 isn't much faster (about 3 seconds) than the old Mustang GT, and I suspect would be slower than the current model as the new SS Camaro is about 3 seconds faster than the M3 (while costing about $30k less, talk about performance per $$$). The new Camaro ZL1 and Shelby GT500 just spank any of the M's, which just makes me sad since they cost substantially less. All that talk about the American cars being too heavy and the Mustang's dated live axle should just die now because they're just beasts in both a straight line and on the track, not to mention cheap. You can actually buy a ZL1 for about what you pay for a loaded 335i.

For reference:
Time / Car / Date
2.57.5 / Camaro ZL1/ New
3.00.6 / Shelby GT500 / New
3:01.5 / Camaro SS / New
3:05.4/ BMW M3/ Feb 2011
3:08.6/ Mustang GT 5.0 / Feb 2011
3:09.5/ Camaro SS / Feb 2010
3:10.5/ BMW 335i Coupe/ August 2007
3:13.2/ BMW 335i / New
3:13.3/ Ford Mustang V6 / Feb 2011
3:13.8/ BMW 335is / Feb 2012
The V-6 Mustang can be and was likely optioned with all the tires/suspension hardware that the GT is. So if the GT puts up good grip and handling numbers, the V-6 can as well. The '11+ V-6 is nearly identical in straightline performance to the pre '11 4.6 GT.
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The V-6 Mustang can be and was likely optioned with all the tires/suspension hardware that the GT is. So if the GT puts up good grip and handling numbers, the V-6 can as well. The '11+ V-6 is nearly identical in straightline performance to the pre '11 4.6 GT.
Yep, the pre 5.0 GT's were a joke. I'm just stunned that the V6 is as good an all around performer than the 335, that one makes me sad. I've always thought of the pony cars as drag strip only cars. And if you got the V6, well then you just got a mustang in name only. I guess I never really looked at what the V6 could do because that one really surprised me all the way around. Amazing what you can get for your money when buying American muscle these days.

At first I didn't believe all the hype of the 5.0 when it came out being basically a M3 level performer at half the cost. If the interior/fit and finish would have been anywhere near what the F30/Audi's felt like I'd probably have picked one up myself instead of my car.
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