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      01-16-2013, 04:36 AM   #1
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Ben Shapiro CUTS Piers Morgan DOWN

A great verbal exchange on gun rights!


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Ben Shapiro wants everyone to have guns but you are not allow to have porno, he thinks porno is evil and should be ban. Yeah he is a constitutional lawyer.

He only believes in some of your rights not all, well only the ones he agrees with.

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Shapiro has taken conservative stances on many social issues. He favors more military and law enforcement spending, as well as more restrictive laws against abortion and pornography. He has also spoken favorably of tighter immigration restrictions and expanded government wiretapping powers of suspected terrorists. Shapiro is also strongly critical of the liberal beliefs of American Jews. Shapiro is also a very strong advocate for abstinence before marriage. He is also a staunch critic of judicial activism, supporting judges whom he believes interpret the United States Constitution according to its original meaning. He has advocated significantly modifying the jury system as it exists in the United States.
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Ben Shapiro wants everyone to have guns but you are not allow to have porno, he thinks porno is evil and should be ban. Yeah he is a constitutional lawyer.

He only believes in some of your rights not all, well only the ones he agrees with.
We have a constitutional right to porn?
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We have a constitutional right to porn?
Have you not heard the famous line from Justice Potter Stewart which he said "I would know it when he sees it", meaning that government can not really determine what is obscenity so you can not deny people their porn (I am taking some liberties and paraphrasing an obvious complicated first amendment issue)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it

So yes your porn should be free form government regulations as good old Ben would like to do.

Ben is also obsessed with what people do in their bed room. For him it okay for the government to mess around in your bedroom as long as they not touching your guns in your house.
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Have you not heard the famous line from Justice Potter Stewart which he said "I would know it when he sees it", meaning that government can not really determine what is obscenity so you can not deny people their porn (I am taking some liberties and paraphrasing an obvious complicated first amendment issue)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it

So yes your porn should be free form government regulations as good old Ben would like to do.

Ben is also obsessed with what people do in their bed room. For him it okay for the government to mess around in your bedroom as long as they not touching your guns in your house.
I don't think the statement you quoted by Justice Stewart can't be used as a reference for saying porn cannot be regulated; you took it a little out of context. And in fact, he did rule with the majority that "hard-core" porn is not protected.

But I digress... Way off topic...
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I can't believe we used our guns to save this prick's country in WWII.
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Ben Shapiro wants everyone to have guns but you are not allow to have porno, he thinks porno is evil and should be ban. Yeah he is a constitutional lawyer.

He only believes in some of your rights not all, well only the ones he agrees with.

Well it sounds like he's got some weird ideas then, but I still like this debate.
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I can't believe we used our guns to save this prick's country in WWII.

Thank fuck we booted this idiot out of the UK.
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Thank fuck we booted this idiot out of the UK.
He's a hack who engages in irresponsible journalism. From posting FAKE pictures of British troops "abusing" Iraqi POWs, to engaging in phone hacking, this guy is pretty much scum. The fact that Rupert Murdoch considers him a besty should show you how trustworthy he is.
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Did I get it wrong?

Shapiro came off like a studdering, whiny bitch. Not exactly who the NRA wants lobbying for gun rights
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I thought Shapiro destroyed Piers. Really, i was impressed. He not once stooped to the level of piers, he not once tried to change the subject.

Piers kept going from losing fight to losing fight hoping to win one. As far as style goes you can interpret that how you will. Every step of the way Shapiro stuck to the subject and stuck to the specifics that were being dealt with while piers tried to bring up ridiculous arguments that quite frankly, were easily shut down by Shapiro.

Favorite part:

Piers: Adam lanza used an assault rifle.
Shapiro: He also had two hand guns. Do you think if he didn't have the assault rifle he wouldn't have used the handguns?
piers: (changes subject)
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Piers tried to rely on sensationalism. Shapiro tried to discuss the problem at hand, and come to a consensus.
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Piers: Adam lanza used an assault rifle.
Shapiro: He also had two hand guns. Do you think if he didn't have the assault rifle he wouldn't have used the handguns?
piers: (changes subject)
and evidently Lanza didn't use the rifle at all. Imagine the uproar if such misrepresentation was made by a gun advocate?
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He's a hack who engages in irresponsible journalism. From posting FAKE pictures of British troops "abusing" Iraqi POWs, to engaging in phone hacking, this guy is pretty much scum. The fact that Rupert Murdoch considers him a besty should show you how trustworthy he is.
He's just a puppet paraded about media outlets commenting on shit he knows nothing about. He skims lightly through many current affair topics, and often challenges the most specialised in that field with a very simple understanding of the subject matter. The man paints a bad picture of the UK.
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Man I HATE Piers Morgan. What a smug pos. That guy was spot on describing the way Piers treats the people he doesnt agree with. He thinks you must be insane if you dont see his point of view.

Morgan's comments on "semi-automatic assault weapons" demonstrate his ignorance on general gun knowledge and is simply his way of trying to instil fear in the sheeple.
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That's my biggest complaint with Piers Morgan, and other liberals who are on the far left on this issue. They can make a point without throwing up the dead children of Sandy Hook, but because the mental image of gunned down innocent children helps their sensationalist goals, they don't care if they throw pictures of them up on Facebook, or twitter for the whole world to see and weep over. Some of these liberal wack jobs scare me as much as their Rush Limbaugh counterparts.
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That's my biggest complaint with Piers Morgan, and other liberals who are on the far left on this issue. They can make a point without throwing up the dead children of Sandy Hook, but because the mental image of gunned down innocent children helps their sensationalist goals, they don't care if they throw pictures of them up on Facebook, or twitter for the whole world to see and weep over. Some of these liberal wack jobs scare me as much as their Rush Limbaugh counterparts.
Fear mongering at its finest.
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Did I get it wrong?

Shapiro came off like a studdering, whiny bitch. Not exactly who the NRA wants lobbying for gun rights
Not wrong. Everybody is entitled to their own opinions. I just find it mind boggling that anybody could actually believe Morgan came out on top in that discussion. It kind of scares me a bit to be honest.
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