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      02-01-2013, 05:20 PM   #969
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Those wheels look amazing on that blue! Really digging the rear spoiler too!
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Insider: Alfa Romeo 4C gets 240PS / 270PS, Racing, Stradale & Roadster Variants Confirmed

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According to information which was sent directly to our editorial office, Alfa Romeo will be launching the 4C in Geneva as a special ĎLaunch Editioní. We received this info in response to our report this morning about the exact statistics of the 4C. This model will, just like the concept of 2011, be given a special bodywork-color and a limited badge. The mail sent to us stated that around 200 units of this ĎLaunch Editioní will be made, half of which will have the steering wheel at the left side. This mail also said that this news has been announced to dealerships in England.

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Thanks to a CarScoop reader who happens to be a Swiss dealer and who attended an Alfa Romeo meeting earlier this month, we are in a position to share several new details about the production 4C that will likely be presented at the Geneva Motor Show next month.

Contrary to initial reports that its 1.8-liter [1750cc] turbocharged inline-four could put out as much as 300-horses, Alfa Romeo officials told dealers that its output will be 240PS or 237hp for the base model, the same as in the Giulietta QV from which it is borrowed.

If a four-cylinder sounds inappropriate for an Italian supercar, the carbon fiber chassis will keep the weight low, though, we assume it will be more than the 850 kg (1,874 pounds) that were announced for the concept model and which theoretically give the 4C an impressively lower power-to-weight ratio of 3.5 kg/PS.

Nevertheless, it should be able to keep up with other mid-engine sports cars like the new 275PS (271hp) Porsche Cayman and perhaps even the Cayman S which, despite boasting 325PS (321hp), is much heavier at 1,320 kg (2,910 pounds) and has a power to weight ratio of 3,78 kg/PS.

Moreover, our source said that Alfa is targeting a price between Ä56,000 and Ä64,000 (equal to US$76,400-$87,300 at today's rates), depending on the trim level, in Switzerland.

This means that the 4C will be priced closer to the base 275PS Cayman, which costs Ä57,500 (US$79,000) in Switzerland rather than the 325PS Cayman S, which at Ä71,230 (US$97,300) is far more expensive. To get an idea of what it may cost in the States, the base Cayman has an MSRP of $52,600, and Cayman S, $63,800.

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Thatís because, according to our insider, global production will be limited to just 2,000 units, equally split between the coupe (1,000 units) and the roadster model (1,000 units) that was also confirmed during the Alfa Romeo dealer meeting.

This number also includes the track-only ďRacingĒ version as well as the road-legal Stradale, both of which will be introduced in 2014 featuring a more potent engine delivering 270PS (266hp).

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As far as looks is concerned no Cayman or Toyobaru can beat this... in fact they look ugly in comparison :

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But I just love the Toyobaru TRD... my fave car of them all:







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my friend just purchased a blue BRZ. Very excited, especially since I convinced him too! His budget was around 25k and he wanted something fun. He was going to originally get something boring like a civic but I convinced him to try it out and he fell in love!

Hopefully once he learns stick I can go to a drag strip and race him. Of course, on a track he would kick my ass xD.

Curious to see how a manual BRZ will go against my auto 128i. I should be able to edge him out, although he can do a quick launch.

I started saving my pennies so next year I can buy either a 235i or a BRZ WRX STI .
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my friend just purchased a blue BRZ. Very excited, especially since I convinced him too! His budget was around 25k and he wanted something fun. He was going to originally get something boring like a civic but I convinced him to try it out and he fell in love!

Hopefully once he learns stick I can go to a drag strip and race him. Of course, on a track he would kick my ass xD.

Curious to see how a manual BRZ will go against my auto 128i. I should be able to edge him out, although he can do a quick launch.

I started saving my pennies so next year I can buy either a 235i or a BRZ WRX STI .
You don't get a BRZ/FRS to go fast in a straight line (although there are already turbo'd BRZs doing 11s in the quarter mile)

You get a BRZ to have an ultimate driving machine. A tossable car that will stay totally planted on the turns due to its light weight and low center of gravity.

More power can never hurt but that's not the point of this car. It has plenty of power for its weight.

And to be honest a BRZ vs a 128i stock isn't an auto-win for the 128i. A 135i would crush a BRZ in a straight line (of course), but a 128i? I'm not so sure.

Nevertheless, regardless of the outcome my original point still stands.
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As far as looks is concerned no Cayman or Toyobaru can beat this... in fact they look ugly in comparison :

God this is amazing. Alfa Romeo sure knows how to design cars
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You don't get a BRZ/FRS to go fast in a straight line (although there are already turbo'd BRZs doing 11s in the quarter mile)

You get a BRZ to have an ultimate driving machine. A tossable car that will stay totally planted on the turns due to its light weight and low center of gravity.

More power can never hurt but that's not the point of this car. It has plenty of power for its weight.

And to be honest a BRZ vs a 128i stock isn't an auto-win for the 128i. A 135i would crush a BRZ in a straight line (of course), but a 128i? I'm not so sure.

Nevertheless, regardless of the outcome my original point still stands.
yes i know haha. but performance wise the only thing my 128i can compare to a BRZ is straight line speed. Of course the BRZ would kick my cars ass for everything else.

From what i've seen these two cars are pretty close, with the 128i being slightly faster. I've seen manual 128i's hit 5.9/6.0 stock and based on reviews/youtube the BRZ gets around 6.3 stock.

I thought it would be just an interesting race. I can't wait for the BRZ WRX STI as it will most likely be my next car
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yes i know haha. but performance wise the only thing my 128i can compare to a BRZ is straight line speed. Of course the BRZ would kick my cars ass for everything else.

From what i've seen these two cars are pretty close, with the 128i being slightly faster. I've seen manual 128i's hit 5.9/6.0 stock and based on reviews/youtube the BRZ gets around 6.3 stock.

I thought it would be just an interesting race. I can't wait for the BRZ WRX STI as it will most likely be my next car
Agreed. The BRZ Sti is going to be insane. All of that tossability and handling but with 280 HP/250 ft-lb and a factory turbo to boot? Can't go wrong with that combination.

IIRC the Sti will also have a non-turbo version for 230 HP, although I don't quite understand the point of that. The Sti should only be the turbo-variant with 280/250.
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Here's the ONLY definition that I know of for what makes the best drivers car... yes I know, I have an 1M and I love it for what it is, for sure not the best drivers car that I know of, though:

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You can buy a Toyobaru or you can go to that extreme... what does make sense to you?!

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Wow. That was fast. Now get back to work and make an STI version.
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TRD GRIFFON CONCEPT: THE ULTIMATE TUNED EIGHT-SIX


Pop quiz: what do you get when you take one of the worldís largest car companyís racing R&D wing, give them unlimited resources and cut them loose to improve the hottest compact car in the world today? Answer: the TRD Griffon Concept. Donít let the wacky name fool you, this car is all business; and unlike most half-cocked concepts, you might actually want to drive it.


Fortunately, at least if you were a Toyota test driver, you could Ė because this car is more than just a show-piece but is actually an R&D test mule. In fact, the car has already logged many test miles at circuits like Tsukuba where Dino caught a rare first glimpse of the car back in December before its debut at Tokyo Auto Salon.


I would imagine then that most of you have probably already seen this car at some point, but I doubt many of you have had this in-depth of a look. On the exterior itís obvious that something fairly incredible has been done to the car, but itís only after you peek beneath the surface that the staggering transformation can really be appreciated.


In fact, Iíd argue that aside from the obvious bits like the canards, rear diffuser and pointy wing, the outside really doesnít give much away. The first time I saw the car at TAS I actually moved on rather quickly, it wasnít until I went in for a closer look the next day that it became obvious I would have to get better acquainted with the car once the show was over.


Of course a spotlight on the car was a mandatory part of our TAS coverage, but Dino and I knew that we needed to spend some more time with the car in order to do it justice. Thereís just so much awesome oozing out of every last millimeter that canít be properly appreciated in the context of a car show.


Case in point: just take a look at the wheel / tire / brake areaÖ itís mind blowing. Items donít get much more top-shelf than TE37SLs and six-piston Brembo calipers with floating rotors. I donít think that thereís a ZN6 owner anywhere in the world that wouldnít kill for that package! But this stuff is just the tip of the iceberg.


TRD has completely re-sculpted virtually the entire exterior of the car, adding width, ducts, channels and dive planes to various surfaces. While much of the car is still in a bespoke prototype phase, there are also items, like the TRD ďFront Fender Aero FinsĒ that we also saw on TRDís other demo car a few weeks ago, that you can actually purchase.


Around back itís more of the same, lots of aero bits and pieces that have been masterfully shaped out of dry carbon and fiberglass and painstakingly grafted to the body.


The centerpiece of the rear bumper, both literally and metaphorically, is the rear diffuser with a center-exit exhaust pipe which terminates in a glorious triangular shaped megaphone. Itís the little details like the way the exhaust is finished or the corresponding heat-sheild where you start to catch little hints that TRD might be showing off a littleÖ


But thatís nothing compared to the rear wing, which really starts to hint at just how serious of an exercise the Griffon is. Iíve seen a lot of wings in my day mounted to all sorts of cars ranging from rusted-out-ricebuckets to top-tier-motorsport and Iíve never seen something so technically sound and beautiful as this.


If youíll excuse me, Iím going to go off on a bit of a rant here, but I think youíll find it just. You see, I donít believe that the word perfection accurately describes the spoiler mounted on the Griffon. I could stare at this thing for hours, in fact I think over the course of the shoot I didÖ and I didnít manage to find a single strand of fiber out of place.


The uprights are proper motorsport-style mounts with multiple adjustment points to fine-tune the angle-of-attack. Notice the chamfered trailing edges of the wing to reduce drag, serious business indeed.


Of course the wing is also height-adjustable via the bottom of the uprights which can be dialed-in under the trunk lid. Is your brain hurting yet? My god the things I would do for something like this for my CivicÖ


The use of carbon fiber isnít just limited to smaller bits and pieces, in fact itís almost grotesque how completely covered the Griffon is in the stuff. And weíre not talking run-of-the-mill carbon fiber either, take everything you know about the stuff and throw it out the window. This is 100% Formula 1 level perfection weaves weíre dealing with.
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And since TRD is part of Toyota, they have access to all the original CAD information and parts molds, so you can bet your ass that everything on this car fits properly – not something you can be so sure of in the real aftermarket realm. To ensure that everything is structurally sound, all of the necessary carbon pieces have also been properly bonded to the chassis as well.


Even the most minuscule of holes have ben covered with sheets of carbon which have been precision measured and cut. Showing off again are we TRD? As you may have noticed, to accompany the extreme carbon diet, all of the glass with the exception of the windscreen has been replaced with OEM-quality-fitting sheets of Lexan.


With the radical effort put into the body, it may come as some surprise that the engine compartment remains relatively untouched, at least for now. The main concept of the first phase of research seems to be seeing how much potential the car has without adding any power and simply “adding lightness.”


There are a few small trinkets to be found, like TRD oil and radiator caps as well as an oil cooler, but most is still standard.


The only real power modification on the Griffon is the addition of a fully Titanium exhaust system consisting of a custom header and completely straight exhaust. It might not add gobs of power, but it certainly does provide a very exciting exhaust note!


The suspension is relatively straight-forward as well, with a few TRD bits and pieces underneath while the majority of the work has been taken care of by a set of KW motorsport 3-way adjustable dampers, further continuing the trend of KWs on ZN6s I saw at SEMA.


The cockpit follows suit in the exercise of weight extraction and comes off as a place from which a racing driver can conduct serious business. There isn’t a whole lot left inside, but as you’d expect, what’s there is pretty impressive.


In addition to the standard dials, a set of TRD meters which are offered for sale as a kit – complete with the 2-din plate – have been installed to keep an eye on oil pressure and oil / water temps. It’s a sophisticated and simple solution that’s certainly a lot easier on the eyes than the standard radio configuration offered by Toyota / Scion.


A lone TRD bucket is all that remains by way of seating. This particular model is one of two different seats manufactured by Bride for TRD, the other being a reclining and thus non-FIA approved version. Once paired to a Takata harness, this car is ready to lock in some hotlaps.


Although TRD is offering a very handsome leather-wrapped Momo steering wheel with an airbag, the Griffon isn’t a true street car so the team decided to bolt a more appropriate suede Momo Monte Carlo on the car in its place. TRD also chose to utilize a Works Bell flip-up style steering boss to ease the transition to and from the driver’s seat.


Aside from the seat and the dashboard, very little else now resides in the car, save for a miniature relocated battery. As you can see, the chassis has also been painstakingly spot-welded in its entirety.


The rear seat area has been replaced with a flat sheet of dry carbon which has been riveted and bonded to the body to increase structural rigidity. Again just another small difference between a factory works effort and a conventional tuner car.


But if you’re still not quite convinced, have a quick look at this video of the Griffon from TRD and you’ll begin to further appreciate the effort that has been put into this car. Words cannot begin to describe the accuracy and fitment of each and every component on this car, it’s been finished at a level I don’t think any tuning shop would be capable of replicating.


In a nutshell, the Griffon offers everything you want from a modified car (i.e. looks and performance) without any of the typical draw backs (i.e. improper fitment and poor durability). So then, is the Griffon Concept the ultimate tuned eight-six? I’ll leave that for you to decide, but I certainly think so.

Toyota Racing Development “Griffon Concept” Toyota 86

ENGINE

2.0L naturally aspirated FA20 boxer engine; TRD Titanium header and straight exhaust

ENGINE MANAGEMENT / ELECTRONICS

Standard ECU; TRD sports meter

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TRD 2-way LSD, clutch plate and 3-puck disc

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KW motorsport 3-way adjustable dampers; TRD member brace, reinforced suspension arms

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TRD 6-pot (f) / 4-pot (r) monoblock calipers, 355mm (f) / 345mm (r) floating rotors, stainless brake lines, performance brake pads

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18◊9.5″ +40 Volk TE37SL wheels; 250/640R18 Advan Racing slick tires; Rays racing lug nuts

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TRD fixed bucket seat; Momo Monte Carlo steering wheel; Works Bell Rapfix GTC steering hub; Takata 4-point harness; lightweight relocated battery

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TRD Griffon concept aero package (consists of GFRP front / rear bumpers, front fenders, CFRP hood, roof, trunk lid, rear wing, rear diffuser doors), front fender aero fin, Performance Line side skirts, bonded carbon fiber rear seat reinforcement plate; Craft Square carbon side mirrors; spot-weld reinforced chassis


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vert toyabura looks absolutely horrible IMHO. STI version better come out before that ugly duckling.

also that build looks amazing. I'm glad they decided to see how the stock motor would perform before going crazy with power.
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I have the right answer for you... to enhance the Toyobaru looks all you have to do is to add the blue body white wheels combinatinon...

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