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      02-17-2013, 10:44 AM   #177
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It only gets worse. I would not buy a 50K+ car without xenons. That adds another 900. I also want summer tires, since I put on dedicated snows. That will add around another 1000. And assuming a diesel premium of 1500-2000, we are now talking about a car with a list of around 57K! Am I really going to pay close to 60K for a 3 series wagon?
No, you'll demand that the dealer sell it to you for $100 over invoice.

There's nothing that says you HAVE to check every option box. If you want toys, you have to pay.
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      02-17-2013, 11:06 AM   #178
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Invoice and toys

I agree with you. That being said, options like Xenons, 18 inch performance tires (need sport or other line), adjustable lumbar support (must buy premium package), not limiting color choice to white and black (paint), and heated seats (need cold), are hardly toys. Indeed, dispensing with options like with nav (and thus getting a lousy looking lcd display), rear camera, smart phone integration, and other toys can save a few thousand dollars.
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      02-17-2013, 03:45 PM   #179
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Even at invoice, you are still well into 50k. And those add-ons aren't exactly extravagances.

BTW, A 535 with cold weather and technology package is 58k.
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      02-18-2013, 01:06 PM   #180
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Even at invoice, you are still well into 50k. And those add-ons aren't exactly extravagances.

BTW, A 535 with cold weather and technology package is 58k.
I don't know what the heck happened. I remember talking numbers with a dealer last year, looking at ordering one of the last E91's. For around $45k (invoice) I was looking at everything I wanted, granted that was RWD. But the F30's were coming and I thought I'd have huge buyers remorse if I went with an E91.

Now I'll bust out $45k cash and ask for a 3 wagon with navigation and get laughed outta the building.
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      02-18-2013, 04:39 PM   #181
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I don't know what the heck happened.
Two to three grand's worth of personification happened...

Not content to simply deliver a fresh take on the timeless, classic 3 series, BMW expanded the "personality" of the 3 in a completely different way; "Lines".

Lines satisfy owners of various stripes by offering exclusive details that instantly identify the vehicles "mood."
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      02-28-2013, 10:17 AM   #182
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This has probably been posted elsewhere but for those mainly following wagon news, some decent confirmation - look forward to NYIAS:

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BMW is taking a different direction for its second U.S.-market diesel-powered 3-Series, the automaker will reveal at the New York International Auto Show in late March.

Instead of the high-performance six-cylinder seen under the outgoing 335d's hood, the new 3-Series diesel will use a four-cylinder unit tuned more for fuel economy. The short-lived 335d cranked out 265 horsepower and a solid 425 lb-ft. of torque, but it wasn't a strong seller despite offering the best fuel economy in BMW's 3-Series range at the time. The 335d was offered from 2009 to 2011.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-to-d...york-show.html

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BMW hasn't revealed specifications for the next 3-Series diesel, but the automaker has confirmed that the new engine will be offered in both sedan and wagon forms when it hits the market as a 2014 model next fall.
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      03-20-2013, 06:56 PM   #183
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I don't understand why make a GT version if they have this? Seems like a bit of overkill.
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      03-21-2013, 01:40 PM   #184
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Well, hurry up and launch it already for the US Market....
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      03-21-2013, 01:41 PM   #185
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Well, hurry up and launch it already for the US Market....
Production began a couple weeks ago. Now we just have to be patient...
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      03-21-2013, 02:48 PM   #186
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Production began a couple weeks ago. Now we just have to be patient...
looks like you can "build it" now on the bmwusa webpage.
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They just made that live in the last hour on the site... Sheesh!
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They just made that live in the last hour on the site... Sheesh!
Already found one error... doesn't list Dakota leather as part of the Premium Package. Let's see how long before they find/fix it!
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Already found one error... doesn't list Dakota leather as part of the Premium Package. Let's see how long before they find/fix it!
I noticed the same thing. $2200 for just keyless entry, satellite radio, and lumbar support is definitely not worth it.
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I noticed the same thing. $2200 for just keyless entry, satellite radio, and lumbar support is definitely not worth it.
I'm still not sure it's "worth it", but I've grown accustomed/lazy to keyless entry.
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      03-21-2013, 06:28 PM   #191
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I noticed the same thing. $2200 for just keyless entry, satellite radio, and lumbar support is definitely not worth it.
It's a typo. If leather is already on the order, checking ZPP only increases the price by $750.
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      03-22-2013, 09:15 AM   #192
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Also..the dimensions seem wrong too. The wagon is SHORTER than the sedan.
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      03-22-2013, 12:31 PM   #193
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The whole thing is wrong. No RWD, no manual. Stratospheric pricing. Average American BMW customers are rolling their eyes at me hard, but for us po-folk enthusiasts who can't afford an M3 AND a stupid SUV... damn this could have hit the spot.

I lose, peace out.
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      03-22-2013, 12:32 PM   #194
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The whole thing is wrong. No RWD, no manual. Stratospheric pricing. Average American BMW customers are rolling their eyes at me hard, but for us po-folk enthusiasts who can't afford an M3 AND a stupid SUV... damn this could have hit the spot.

I lose, peace out.
It's not perfect, but it's much better than the alternatives, IMO.
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Are you really surprised?

I share the general frustration that is being expressed about the prices of the F31. But, many in this thread sound indignent and surprised by BMWs pricing strategy. There are two important considerations. First, the F31 is priced exactly was where one would expect based on the F30. My configured M-Sport with Premium, Tech, HK, Cold Weather and Lighting is 54,320, compared to $52,520 for the sedan. This price premium is in line with that paid in Europe and other markets, and similar to that for the E90. So, if you want to complain about the price of a well-equipped 3 series, fine, but don't single out the wagon. Second, is the matter of comparables. The only real alternative in the market today is the Allroad. If you spec out that car, and add $2000 for the value of the 4 year service, the BMW is certainly competitive, especially when you consider that BMW dealers are more likely to discount off MSRP. Of course, you can start making comparisons to SUVs, but, I think that is like apples and oranges. Indeed, mid-size SUVs are priced more aggressively. This is to be expected given that every US, Japanese, Korean, European and soon to be Chinese has a good product in this category. It is their bread and butter, and the competition is fierce. But there is reason many of us will pay the premium for a F31 over a SUV: quality, utility, and we love to drive cars, not pilot a crossover or truck. So, if you want to blame someone for the fact that we are paying the price for our tastes, blame the consumer who does not share our preference, not the manufacturer who is simply responding to the revealed tastes in market place.
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I share the general frustration that is being expressed about the prices of the F31. But, many in this thread sound indignent and surprised by BMWs pricing strategy. There are two important considerations. First, the F31 is priced exactly was where one would expect based on the F30. My configured M-Sport with Premium, Tech, HK, Cold Weather and Lighting is 54,320, compared to $52,520 for the sedan. This price premium is in line with that paid in Europe and other markets, and similar to that for the E90. So, if you want to complain about the price of a well-equipped 3 series, fine, but don't single out the wagon. Second, is the matter of comparables. The only real alternative in the market today is the Allroad. If you spec out that car, and add $2000 for the value of the 4 year service, the BMW is certainly competitive, especially when you consider that BMW dealers are more likely to discount off MSRP. Of course, you can start making comparisons to SUVs, but, I think that is like apples and oranges. Indeed, mid-size SUVs are priced more aggressively. This is to be expected given that every US, Japanese, Korean, European and soon to be Chinese has a good product in this category. It is their bread and butter, and the competition is fierce. But there is reason many of us will pay the premium for a F31 over a SUV: quality, utility, and we love to drive cars, not pilot a crossover or truck. So, if you want to blame someone for the fact that we are paying the price for our tastes, blame the consumer who does not share our preference, not the manufacturer who is simply responding to the revealed tastes in market place.
Awesome post!! I am first in line when an allocation comes in for my F31. Ordering all packages except Drivers Assistance Plus. The only thing that is scaring me is the July tech change. Have NO idea what this is and thinking about waiting until June/July to order.
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Awesome post!! I am first in line when an allocation comes in for my F31. Ordering all packages except Drivers Assistance Plus. The only thing that is scaring me is the July tech change. Have NO idea what this is and thinking about waiting until June/July to order.
If you can wait, you might as well. The new Nav is supposed to be much better. I agree with his post wholeheartedly too. But what would a forum be without a bunch of complainers...
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Well...the F31 (shipping today) DOES have the new navigation. This July tech change is something different.
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