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      01-21-2014, 09:07 AM   #1
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Carbon fiber revolution: BMW Z3 (Z4 successor) and more

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Toyota will co-develop the next Z4 to be designated Z3 with BMW.

BMW will be more of a sports car. Design influenced by Vision ConnectedDrive Concept car. Design will reflect the technology and advanced aspect of the new car. Technical , and futuristic.

Roadster (BMW) : Coupe (Toyota) at first but their will be an additional Coupe and Roadster for both brands.

Individual design.
Individual characters , both manufacturers will develop their own chassis.

front-engine, rear-drive layout of the current Z4. But a greater approach to weight reduction innovation.

Relatively no high increase in price over the current Z4.

Folding hard top ditched for soft top. Emphasis on weight reduction.

The basic body and chassis design by BMW.
Based upon extensive Carbon fibre innovation shown with the BMW i3 and i8 and the all new generation of 7er.
BMW developed Carbon fibre tub and chassis , key elements such as suspension arms fabricated from CFRP , aluminium A structure and chassis section.
Boot lid and bonnet lid Constructed from Carbon Fibre.

Toyota developed second generation plug-in hybrid technology. More advanced interpretation of the current Toyota Hybrid System II with energy storage capacitor for revolutionary performance eDrive model and Toyota hybrid Drive model.

Engines will be from BMW. Four and Six cylinders.

To be the first car in its segment to offer innovation , performance and efficiency , features expected of a super sports car at half the price.

BMW M. Variants possible.
The timescale works absolutely in favour with the new BMW M3 and BMW M4 Coupe because a gap of two years allows establishment and progress. By this time there will be the Competition Package for the M3 and M4 and there will also be progress for the two cars in an additional specification.

Then you have to think about the next M5 and its leap in technology , lightweight and power increase to just over 600 PS. Granted the M5 won't be on the market at this point but the arrival will be just over twelve months from the G30.

This is where the gap opens for the M2 and there will be ample room for co-existence.

The interesting thing that really shows progress, is that on a presentation briefing between Toyota and BMW on the Z4 Replacement which is the Z3 is the ability to integrate super sports car specifications into that car by extensive use of Carbon Fibre. The Z3 will be the first car, along with its Toyota twin to use a Carbon tub in its price range for a premium manufacturer even undercutting the Alfa Romeo 4C. The bonnet lid and bootlid will also be CFRP and as will areas of the suspension.

It leads to possibly further advances of CFRP on the M2 as the time frame allows for further and extensive application. The four cylinder resonates with the approach to lightweight application over numbers.

The new BMW M3 and M4 begin the Carbon revolution at M. It's not all about the numbers its about precision through weight reduction.

To understand the significance. Look at that Carbon bodied Maybach at around 1 million dollars. Granted the 7er will not be extensive in application but with all the key panels approached to be fabricated from CFRP it will be far , far less than that Maybach , not even a fraction of the cost. That is how important this is.

Later this year as BMW begin the roll out to the first BMW to adopt a significant lightweight approach their will be media Technology days where you will understand the full outline of how innovative and beneficial this will be for BMW.

Start to get excited.
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exciting few years ahead it seems
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this looks exciting
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Why the odd-number designation (3)? Aren't all coupes (two-door chassis) supposed to be even numbered?
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I came into this thread expecting a nice post about the title of the thread. Instead, I came in to read an incoherent, disjointed mess of statements and text, only loosely related to either the title, or even each other.

#disappointment
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Interesting. Totally opposite to the fat pig E89.

On the other hand I am happy to own one of the last E89 with a non-turbo 6 cyl engine.
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WOW this is awesome news! I am very excited to see what BMW comes out with. BMWs have been getting heavy over the years and it is great to see them working hard to shave some weight.
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Yet you release an M235i which weighs the same as the F30 335i and CLA45 AMG while being much smaller!
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The question is do I want a Toyota Supra or BMW Z3 (all-new)..
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Sad that the Z4 will stop production but pretty amped that the Z3 is back. Not sure how i feel about a Toyota version though..
I suspect this could end up being a good thing. Sharing the development costs should allow both toyota and BMW to bring these cars to market at a more competitive price. I am sure BMW will keep a level of independence that will preserve its unique characteristics.
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I came into this thread expecting a nice post about the title of the thread. Instead, I came in to read an incoherent, disjointed mess of statements and text, only loosely related to either the title, or even each other.

#disappointment
Carbon fiber revolution. I don't see whats not to like. The insight talking about the future of carbon fiber in the upcoming Z3 and other models.

I think it is great news.
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Love that BMW will lead the way for lighter cars!
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Great to hear this, pretty sure that I read somewhere previously that BMW was gearing up to be at the forefront of Carbon or CFRP. Z3 lighter than the 4C hey, that would be mighty impressive.
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Scott, are there still plans for an up-market Z5?

Also, is G30 the code for the new 5-series?
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Why the odd-number designation (3)? Aren't all coupes (two-door chassis) supposed to be even numbered?
+20000 just when you get use to bavarian marketing wankers, they go and do something like this.
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Yet you release an M235i which weighs the same as the F30 335i and CLA45 AMG while being much smaller!
The F20/F21/F22/F23 development began in 2007.
Far too early as the conception of Project-i and Strategy 1 were in their infancy.
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Please for the love of all that is holy, don't make the Z3 a hybrid.
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The Z3 will be the first car, along with its Toyota twin to use a Carbon tub in its price range for a premium manufacturer even undercutting the Alfa Romeo 4C.
This is really remarkable. IMO, the single most exciting thing in automotive development over the next 5 years will be mass reduction. It's easy to forget how great a low mass car is, because we rarely get the opportunity to drive any. I recommend everyone pay their local Mazda dealer a visit once every couple of years to drive a Miata. It's absolutely mind blowing to experience the difference between a 3300+ lb car and a 2500 lb car.

There is a substantial amount of irony playing out here. Enthusiasts, after years and years of watching cars get fatter and fatter, will finally get slimmer cars because of tightened fuel economy standards. Ha!
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The F20/F21/F22/F23 development began in 2007.
Far too early as the conception of Project-i and Strategy 1 were in their infancy.
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The Z3 will be the first car, along with its Toyota twin to use a Carbon tub in its price range for a premium manufacturer even undercutting the Alfa Romeo 4C.
This is really remarkable. IMO, the single most exciting thing in automotive development over the next 5 years will be mass reduction. It's easy to forget how great a low mass car is, because we rarely get the opportunity to drive any. I recommend everyone pay their local Mazda dealer a visit once every couple of years to drive a Miata. It's absolutely mind blowing to experience the difference between a 3300+ lb car and a 2500 lb car.

There is a substantial amount of irony playing out here. Enthusiasts, after years and years of watching cars get fatter and fatter, will finally get slimmer cars because of tightened fuel economy standards. Ha!
4C scared the crap out of a lot of premium brands I bet ... i.e. P Cayman being one
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