[mkoesel]

Thank you for mentioning that. I was just going to add that the most significant difference between the two for those of us in the states is that you can't even get the Audi anymore at all.

This could translate into more sales for the BMW - I think Audi's Allroad won't make a good substitute for much of its loyal Avant following in the US.

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Good luck in the US! In fact you can't even get the refreshed A4 Avant shown, we're stuck with the silly Allroad now, which is also slushbox only like the F31. I won't be buying either one, but do prefer the M Sport F31 very slightly, but the non M Sport is pretty naff.

[Needsdecaf]

To me, the Audi looks more like a large hatch, whereas the BMW looks more like a proper touring / avant / wagon.

[DASHOCKER]

the audi looks clean and slick. the bmw does not look proper.

[vanosracing]

Having owned both BMW and Audi wagons, I pick the BMW hands down just on the powertrain and overall drive. The A4 looks like a generic VW product, unless you get the S-Line. The new F30/F31 interior rivals Audi in terms of quality. From the E90 to the F30, BMW improved quality whereas from the Audi B7 to B8 Audi removed real aluminium for silver plastic. BMW hands down for me. At the end of the day, you buy waht you prefer.

[kazef]

Audi... Eww...

[Jadar]

Originally Posted by DrivenByE30

is it wrong i find the audi better looking ??

it doesnt mean that i dont like the F31, i love the F31 !!

but the Audi A4 Avant is a hair better looking ! IMO

No the audi avant is slightly better looking. the side profile of the f31 just doesnt look right to me, its like the hood is too long or something. looks off. but the front and rear look good. but the f30 looks way better then an a4 sedan. the a4 is boring on the outside.

Originally Posted by Itgb

I really like both, but I would give the slight edge to the A4. Especially interior layout.

+1

[s4awd]

The Audi looks much more boring than the beemer but looks waaaay better. That 3 series wagon looks like something my aunt would drive. ugh

[WULFFZA]

Originally Posted by DrivenByE30

is it wrong i find the audi better looking ??

it doesnt mean that i dont like the F31, i love the F31 !!

but the Audi A4 Avant is a hair better looking ! IMO

No, but admitting so on this forum may get you flamed!

Originally Posted by lukeb817

No, I'm right there with you...both are great looking (for a wagon) but I also prefer the Avant over the F31.

Audi is cohesive in their designs, inside and out and they age well because of it, but we'd still buy the F31...

I had an F30 328i baseline loaner the other day and I was blown away by its performance (excuse the pun).

ps I 'built' myself an F30 just like your order the other day, good taste!

[igom3]

Audi is not bad looking at all, and if they bring TDI engine to US? Hmmmm

[Alpine F31]

Originally Posted by johnbmw6

This tops them both though.

I'm with you. M Sport all the way. It's a crying shame that BMW wont offer it with a manual in the US. It boggles my mind....wth???

[N6CRB]

Cup holders at your elbow are next to useless!

BMW cup holders FTW!!

[zvvbmw]

Well, looking at these 2 cars I must say that for the past 4-5 years Audi-s look almost the same. Minor changes (lights, some interior updates, trims, wheels etc). But Audi is one good piece of german engineering, that's for sure.

Personal point of view: The design of Audi cars are...well...booooooring, unatractive. Yeah sure, sometimes simplicity is good but comparing the A4 with the F31...I'd take the beamer.

[Richsocal12]

Originally Posted by DASHOCKER

the audi looks clean and slick. the bmw does not look proper.

x50

[Blake P]

I have to be honest and say that the only reason I'm here is because AoA decided not to bring the 2013 avant. Otherwise, that would be replacing my 2009 A4 sedan. That being said, the F31 M Sport will be a fantastic alternative and I applaud BMWUSA for not giving up on sport wagon enthusiasts.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by weaksauce

Audi, you had me at 6MT.

Yeah that's the funniest part you cannot even get a manual in either car here in North America.

I'd prefer black trim around the windows, but I myself am just not a chrome guy.

[trfortin69]

The Audi A4 w sportsline and titanium package is pretty sharp, plus w/ the sportsline you'll actually get a lower ride height something BMW needs to do, screw the ground clearance theory if I order a sport package I want a lower car... C'mon man. A lowered f31 would look better IMO, i also prefer n20 engine over audi's 2.0 any day. If they come out w/ f31 335 I'm in.... Except Bmw needs to fix the HPFP issue before I buy another one

[NYe60chrisIU]

The Audi looks beyond boring to me. The only aspect which I find interesting are the headlights, other than that I have no interest in that car at all. It does indeed make the 3er look very flashy in comparison.

[weaksauce]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Good luck in the US! In fact you can't even get the refreshed A4 Avant shown, we're stuck with the silly Allroad now, which is also slushbox only like the F31. I won't be buying either one, but do prefer the M Sport F31 very slightly, but the non M Sport is pretty naff.

DOH!

[Red Bread]

The A4 may be a little dull, and this may be comically overpriced and DSG only, but dear god:

[Agent11br]

Originally Posted by advantage20

I thought Saddle wasn't available in the the F series? I know a euro member had posted in the original F31 Msport thread that he ordered his and Saddle was not an option

[xDrive35i]

Originally Posted by Agent11br

I thought Saddle wasn't available in the the F series? I know a euro member had posted in the original F31 Msport thread that he ordered his and Saddle was not an option

It was probably a specific line that couldn't be spec'd with Saddle.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by DrivenByE30

is it wrong i find the audi better looking ?

Nope, not wrong at all. It is better looking.