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Why? Because people with more brains and money than all of you said that there's a market for it! They're pulling profits, mind your own business.
What was that commercial - You don't want your doctor doing your job, don't do his? Same concept. You guys must be real pros since you just lease their vehicles. Would I get one? Probably not - but that's because if I wanted a bigger car I'd get a F10 |
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But they're also losing their appeal to drivers How far are we when the ultimate drive machine motto is changed? They've already tried with the lame "Joy" attempt Some car makers success is owed to targeting a specific segment, and doing it better than the rest. BMW, Porsche etc Once you lose your core loyal market, then you're dealing with clientele that will leave you the minute there is a newer model from a competitor Then you're screwed You're not making drivers cars anymore And you're 3GT and 5GT won't generate enough income
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Or an X3?
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I've driven both X5s
And we own an '11 X3 Neither one is a drivers car They are "me too" cars SUVs were doing well So BMW wanted to imitate but called it an SAV As if that makes them different, or original
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BMW still makes "drivers" cars. Let them make 3GTs, X3s and X5s too. That way there is plenty of profit to make a beast of an M3, M5, etc.
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the new one is basically a tuned 335i i think the days of bespoke parts for the M3 are coming to a close the more parts are shared, the bigger profit they make again, like audi the difference between an S5 and a RS5 is much smaller than E92 and E92 M3 they are basically the same car with a few tweaks
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Would it make sense that the give the F80 some bespoke motor, and cut back on other differentiating parts (like suspension, diff, etc) just so they can say "hey the M3/M4 has a bespoke motor"? You can't make everything "bespoke" and expect to keep costs under control, both internally and to the end customer. What's the trade off? A bespoke TTV6 in the F80 (that produces same performance as a S55), but lose the new diff? Lose the carbon fiber roof? Increase the price an additional $10K over the normal M3 premium? |
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think of the 1m engine, it was basically a 335is engine, contrary to what BMW said. Quote:
which was a parts bin special i said it then, and i'll say it again, the 1m was a test it worked well (because they limited production), so expect this parts bin mentality to continue unfortunately, i don't think engineers are the driving force at BMW anymore its the bean counters and the marketing people now hence why the M logo is now on almost everything they sell Quote:
no i expect an M3 to have bespoke engine, suspension, brakes etc which is why the M3 costs as much as it does but don't tell me it's about costs because i guarantee you the new M3 will be more expensive than the existing shape, but it will be using a lot more shared parts with the 335 hence higher profit. It's not about costs and transfering those cost savings to the end user my problem is i am fine with paying 33% more for an M3 when i know a lot of time went into the engineering, and special parts were made for it etc but to expect me to pay 33% more for the new M3 (i'd guess it will be higher) for what is basically the same car, with a nicer tune, is ludicrous
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I'm not going to argue on the technical points of what you saying, though I think you're over simplifying things, but that last statement (bolded).. I think you're making a pretty massive assumption, we really don't know how different the car is under the skin until the public get their hands on it.
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a heavier and bigger 3 with a hatch back. Not really necessary. Looks like a direct A5 competitor.
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Otherwise I agree with you about the point of this car.
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I actually like it. Can't really get a wagon anymore, and the 5GT is too big for my uses. Then again, until I become dumb enough to get married I have no need for anything other than a coupe.
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Just looks strange to me. Why not just get a wagon if you want more space and versitility?
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I don't get the point of this car, just give us a proper wagon dammit!
.. and lose the silly fender boomerang sticker thing. |
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