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      08-03-2015, 04:05 AM   #1
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435i pureturbos vs m4, need help

hello guys,

I meditate on the next purchase, but I would be disappointed by my choices ..

Now I'm thinking:
435i with pureturbos stage 2 + Exhaust supersprint + MBRAKE (370 + 345mm) + intake bms or AFE, KW V2.

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m4 with ceramic brake + DP and chip GPower 570bhp.

in your opinion, what interventions of suspension it the 435i to mimic the M4 on track?

Here in Italy, a 435i with 15.000km is around € 42,000 -45,000$ and m4 with a ceramic brake €80,000- 88,000$.

what do you recommend?
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I would go M4 without the ceramic brakes... Too $$$ for what it is.
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      08-03-2015, 06:12 AM   #3
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I would go M4 without the ceramic brakes... Too $$$ for what it is.
But then he'll complain about brake dust.

My brother has them on his M4, it amazes me how dirty the wheels DON'T get. It's almost worth it.
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But then he'll complain about brake dust.

My brother has them on his M4, it amazes me how dirty the wheels DON'T get. It's almost worth it.
With the money that this costs, you could employ a full time wheel cleaning person.
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I would go M4 without the ceramic brakes... Too $$$ for what it is.
But then he'll complain about brake dust.

My brother has them on his M4, it amazes me how dirty the wheels DON'T get. It's almost worth it.
So to avoid washing your car and cleaning your wheels, your solution is to purchase a $8,000+ braking system?

Ceramics have daily usability issues. They're for track runs, not DD.
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M4 by all means - much more tuning potential and better equipped to handle the power. Unless you're going to track the M4, the $8K brakes just aren't worth the money.

PS - they don't have "chips" any more - it's all done with software either by flashing the ECU or an add-on piggyback tuner. Last car I put a "chip" in was a 1993 Porsche 968.
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      08-03-2015, 09:03 AM   #7
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For me, bought a m4 (with few km) it's best to select with the ceramic brake .. for resale and then I like the track: D

The topic I created it to choose between the two cars, what do you prefer? :
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The price gap is so huge... IF I had the money, I'd go for the M4 with the CCB. You can drive it for a few years without a tune then get a tune when you feel like having more power.

Although, I think I personally would still be content with a 435i with mods... It all really comes down to what kind of performance you're looking for.
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your signature says e92 m3. Modify that, and don't get a 435 to replace an M3
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M4 for reliability... 435 is pushed too hard with all the bolt ons
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M4 all the way. It's well rounded and built to handle abuse unlike the 435i.
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It's almost worth it.
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I am interested at all your point of view ..

Yes in signature I m3e92 in this 3 years I've had 3x 335i e92 and a m3e92 manual.

I appreciate the 335i engine (FBO stage 3), in the M3 I hate it but I love the dynamics ..

M4 is an answer for my question? I don't know..

I am looking for a powerful car because I travel faster, which has 4 seats that can bring customers (GTR excluded just because it is too far)..

The 435i seeing pureturbo about 500whp, I think, the M4 with OEM turbo can't get there .. M4 Pureturbo is amazing, but + 9000$ is out of my budget..

I would not want the M4 is filled with so many words to be the truth then little more than a 435i .. at the end, data in hand, the m4 weighs more than a 435i.

What do you think of XDRIVE? : LOL:
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I am interested at all your point of view ..

Yes in signature I m3e92 in this 3 years I've had 3x 335i e92 and a m3e92 manual.

I appreciate the 335i engine (FBO stage 3), in the M3 I hate it but I love the dynamics ..

M4 is an answer for my question? I don't know..

I am looking for a powerful car because I travel faster, which has 4 seats that can bring customers (GTR excluded just because it is too far)..

The 435i seeing pureturbo about 500whp, I think, the M4 with OEM turbo can't get there .. M4 Pureturbo is amazing, but + 9000$ is out of my budget..

I would not want the M4 is filled with so many words to be the truth then little more than a 435i .. at the end, data in hand, the m4 weighs more than a 435i.

What do you think of XDRIVE? : LOL:
To be honest, the M4 will be the much better rounded car than a FBO (Full Bolt-on) 435i. Sure the 435i *may* make more power than an M4 with a tune but, honestly, that is the only place where the 435i would shine over the M4. I would prefer the M4 in terms of all other aspects ; the transmission, differential, suspension, brakes, wheels/tires, interior (seats and materials), looks and tuneability are all superior on the M4.

Also, an M4 running a BMS Stage 1 hit 479 rwhp with (I assume) no other mods.

As for xDrive, as long as you don't have to deal with snow for an extended period of time (and being in Italy, you probably don't, lucky...), you won't need it.

Hope this helps!
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hello guys,

I meditate on the next purchase, but I would be disappointed by my choices ..

Now I'm thinking:
435i with pureturbos stage 2 + Exhaust supersprint + MBRAKE (370 + 345mm) + intake bms or AFE, KW V2.

-or

m4 with ceramic brake + DP and chip GPower 570bhp.

in your opinion, what interventions of suspension it the 435i to mimic the M4 on track?

Here in Italy, a 435i with 15.000km is around € 42,000 -45,000$ and m4 with a ceramic brake €80,000- 88,000$.

what do you recommend?
A low mileage 435i would cost you half of what the M4 will cost.
With a 435i you will then have about $49K-euro to mod the 435i to beat a stock M4.
I say with that kind of dough it can easily be done.

I'm sure there are race/speed shops in Italy that can work wonders for that kind of pasta.
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The 435i seeing pureturbo about 500whp, I think, the M4 with OEM turbo can't get there .. M4 Pureturbo is amazing, but + 9000$ is out of my budget..

I would not want the M4 is filled with so many words to be the truth then little more than a 435i .
F8X dynoed at 521whp with 97 octane fuel and a tune. All else stock

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1031990

Time to search some more before you buy. Seems like you haven't read up on the F8x enough to make a decision
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      08-05-2015, 05:16 PM   #17
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F8X dynoed at 521whp with 97 octane fuel and a tune. All else stock

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1031990

Time to search some more before you buy. Seems like you haven't read up on the F8x enough to make a decision
i'm sorry nicknaz... I'm choosing seriously, i have look a many dynotest.. in your link i see max 520BHP.. not Whp..what confirms my theory is that the first test is 415hp without jb4.. this man http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1157175 with 435ix can get 520whp or 618bhp.. no?
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A low mileage 435i would cost you half of what the M4 will cost.
With a 435i you will then have about $49K-euro to mod the 435i to beat a stock M4.
I say with that kind of dough it can easily be done.

I'm sure there are race/speed shops in Italy that can work wonders for that kind of pasta.
hehe unfortunately here in Italy I do not know personally many (and capable) tuner .. JB4 + pureturbos is my choice .. thank you man
your opinion... the suspension and the dynamics of drive, I can look like a m4 with a 435i kw clubsport + afe sway bar? it's enough
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