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      09-21-2016, 09:32 PM   #67
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Yes, but it's sloooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwww
Not really. If you look at other cars - and I decided to look at the Toyota Camry since everyone says that's the 3-series competitor now - the 328d takes around 6.6s 0-60 while the 4-cylinder Camry comes in at 8s. 1/4 mile the 328d takes 15s, Camry 16.2. You'd have to get a V6 Camry to meet/exceed the 328d's acceleration performance.

My wife's 328d gets up to 100mph to pass folks slower than my 335d, but it's still plenty fast.
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I think I need glasses... Are we comparing a BMW with a Toyota? If 0-60 was all that mattered I'd get something I didn't care about. We all know a BMW is way more than one measure of success.
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Not really. If you look at other cars - and I decided to look at the Toyota Camry since everyone says that's the 3-series competitor now - the 328d takes around 6.6s 0-60 while the 4-cylinder Camry comes in at 8s. 1/4 mile the 328d takes 15s, Camry 16.2. You'd have to get a V6 Camry to meet/exceed the 328d's acceleration performance.

My wife's 328d gets up to 100mph to pass folks slower than my 335d, but it's still plenty fast.
C&D tested a 328d at 7.1s to 60 and a Mazda 6(4 cyl) at 7.0s to 60.
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Not really. If you look at other cars - and I decided to look at the Toyota Camry since everyone says that's the 3-series competitor now - the 328d takes around 6.6s 0-60 while the 4-cylinder Camry comes in at 8s. 1/4 mile the 328d takes 15s, Camry 16.2. You'd have to get a V6 Camry to meet/exceed the 328d's acceleration performance.

My wife's 328d gets up to 100mph to pass folks slower than my 335d, but it's still plenty fast.
C&D tested a 328d at 7.1s to 60 and a Mazda 6(4 cyl) at 7.0s to 60.
This is the F31 328d 0-60 and 7.1 is almost as quick as the 6cyl Outback so what wrong with it? Is it as fast as your average 4 intermediate car why maintaining 35mpg average. The Audi allroad from last generation made it in 6.4 seconds. I really don't see the problem here. If you are looking for pure speed the wagon isn't the answer in North America.
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http://www.edmunds.com/kia/sedona/20...ison-test.html 7 seconds was Ferrari territory couple year ago.
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This is the F31 328d 0-60 and 7.1 is almost as quick as the 6cyl Outback so what wrong with it? Is it as fast as your average 4 intermediate car why maintaining 35mpg average. The Audi allroad from last generation made it in 6.4 seconds. I really don't see the problem here. If you are looking for pure speed the wagon isn't the answer in North America.
Doesn't really matter anyway because we were comparing a 328i (0-60 in 5.3s) to a 328d(0-60 in 7.1s). That's why I was saying that if you do a lot of milage the 328d is a better choice because of the fuel economy, but you have to consider that the 328i is hugely faster and the 328i is no faster than pretty basic cars.
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This is the F31 328d 0-60 and 7.1 is almost as quick as the 6cyl Outback so what wrong with it? Is it as fast as your average 4 intermediate car why maintaining 35mpg average. The Audi allroad from last generation made it in 6.4 seconds. I really don't see the problem here. If you are looking for pure speed the wagon isn't the answer in North America.
Doesn't really matter anyway because we were comparing a 328i (0-60 in 5.3s) to a 328d(0-60 in 7.1s). That's why I was saying that if you do a lot of milage the 328d is a better choice because of the fuel economy, but you have to consider that the 328i is hugely faster and the 328i is no faster than pretty basic cars.
The 328i Touring does the 0-60 in 5.8 seconds not 5.3. To break even in term of price you need about 38-39000kms at current fuel price so nothing impossible. And that it for MY2014-2016 for MY2017 the 328d is now cheaper than the 330i.
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for MY2017 the 328d is now cheaper than the 330i.
The diesel engine is still the $1500 premium like it's always been.
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for MY2017 the 328d is now cheaper than the 330i.
The diesel engine is still the $1500 premium like it's always been.
Look at the Canadian pricing the 328d is cheaper than the 330i.
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Look at the Canadian pricing the 328d is cheaper than the 330i.
2016 328d xdrive:48350$
2016 328i xdrive: 46850$
2017 330i xdrive: 47500$

So first, there is no 2017 328d because it was not approved for sale.
Second, the 328d is 1500$ more expensive. The extra price for MY17 is probably some added std equipment, but still the 330i is less expensive.
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Look at the Canadian pricing the 328d is cheaper than the 330i.
2016 328d xdrive:48350$
2016 328i xdrive: 46850$
2017 330i xdrive: 47500$

So first, there is no 2017 328d because it was not approved for sale.
Second, the 328d is 1500$ more expensive. The extra price for MY17 is probably some added std equipment, but still the 330i is less expensive.
http://www.autoblog.com/2016/08/03/e...-diesel-sales/ that isn't true anymore. Base msrp for the MY 2017 F30 328xd is 44000$ and base msrp for the F30 330xi is 47500$
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http://www.autoblog.com/2016/08/03/e...-diesel-sales/ that isn't true anymore. Base msrp for the MY 2017 F30 328xd is 44000$ and base msrp for the F30 330xi is 47500$
I'll believe it when the 2017 is available on BMW's website.
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      09-29-2016, 01:39 AM   #79
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I gave in...

After much thought, I've decided to get the M-Sport w/ Estoril Blue! So this is how my build looks

328d xDrive Sports Wagon
  • Black SensaTec
  • Fineline Anthracite Wood Trim
  • Driver Assistance Package
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  • Parking Assistant

After realizing LED headlights could be had w/ just the Premium Package, I dropped the Lighting Package altogether. Now I'm trying to figure out if I want the HK sound system or the Side+Top Cameras. Here's my take

Harman Kardon Sound System
I'm no audiophile, but often listen to SXM or my phone when I'm driving. The stock HiFi system in my F30 works for me, but is the HK setup worth the hype?

Side and Top View Cameras
I park next to curbs often and figure the camera let me park more precisely and gauge distances to objects. On my F30, the only feature that lets me do that is the left mirror in reverse, so it works only in one scenario.

Which of the two would you choose, if you could only have one? Similarly, would you drop Adaptive M Suspension (coming from a DHP car)?
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the anthracite trim looks like a dark dark brown. i'd get the ash grain wood trim instead since it is blacker.

the HK isn't all that but it is way better than the base system and $875 is little to pay for the increase in sound.

i'd get the top/side view cameras and lose the parking assistant.

if you're not planning on suspension mods ( for lowering and handling) then consider adaptive since the base x suspension is soft and lacking.
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For all the torque monsters out there, how bout this?

And the silly model designation. The 328d is not the diesel version of the 328i, don´t care what they call it there it´s just not. Not even the 325d is near it however the 330d, there´s your diesel equivalent performance wise.
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You can't typically just compare total torque of a Diesel engine to a gas engine. The curves are usually quite a bit steeper for the diesel so say both make 250 ft-lbs the diesel will feel faster through much of the rev range.
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the anthracite trim looks like a dark dark brown. i'd get the ash grain wood trim instead since it is blacker.

the HK isn't all that but it is way better than the base system and $875 is little to pay for the increase in sound.

i'd get the top/side view cameras and lose the parking assistant.

if you're not planning on suspension mods ( for lowering and handling) then consider adaptive since the base x suspension is soft and lacking.
I'm not a fan of the grain of the ash trim, too curly, unlike the straight grain of anthracite. I'd agree about the brownness, but I looked at the recent builds with anthracite and they are more black than brown as the online configuration would show. I'd honestly get the Alum. Hex trim, but its not practical in the hot CA weather.

If you could choose only one of the two options, which would you rather get?
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You can't typically just compare total torque of a Diesel engine to a gas engine. The curves are usually quite a bit steeper for the diesel so say both make 250 ft-lbs the diesel will feel faster through much of the rev range.
Did you actually compare them yourself? Because I did, and to me what you just said sounds like all that "common sense knowledge" that gets proven wrong the first time anyone bothers to look closely. Like, for example, C&D did (sedans, but it's the same for wagons):

328d:

Zero to 60 mph: 7.2 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 21.2 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 35.7 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 8.0 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.7 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 5.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 15.5 sec @ 88 mph
Top speed (drag limited): 136 mph

328i:

Zero to 60 mph: 5.2 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.1 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 27.2 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.3 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.4 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.9 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.9 sec @ 99 mph
Top speed (C/D est): 155 mph
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After realizing LED headlights could be had w/ just the Premium Package, I dropped the Lighting Package altogether.
However, basic LEDs are much different from ZLP LEDs. There's also the possibility of converting the ZLP LED system to Euro style full adaptive.

Adaptive suspension is non-negotiable. The rest is the matter of your personal preference, everyone will have different opinions.
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I'm not a fan of the grain of the ash trim, too curly, unlike the straight grain of anthracite. I'd agree about the brownness, but I looked at the recent builds with anthracite and they are more black than brown as the online configuration would show.

If you could choose only one of the two options, which would you rather get?
fair enough about the interior trim since i have not seen either in real life. how about aluminum hexagon with blue or brushed aluminum with black?

if the base sound is fine for you than go with cameras.

you don't wanna curb them wheels...cameras are difficult and costly to DIY if you try to add them later.

Bimmertech Amp and Bavsound or Mirage speaker upgrades are an easier DIY if you find the base audio lacking.

but i still say get both since the additional total cost (<$1K) is quickly forgotten whether you lease, finance, or purchase outright.

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After realizing LED headlights could be had w/ just the Premium Package, I dropped the Lighting Package altogether. Now I'm trying to figure out if I want the HK sound system or the Side+Top Cameras. Here's my take

Harman Kardon Sound System
I'm no audiophile, but often listen to SXM or my phone when I'm driving. The stock HiFi system in my F30 works for me, but is the HK setup worth the hype?

Side and Top View Cameras
I park next to curbs often and figure the camera let me park more precisely and gauge distances to objects. On my F30, the only feature that lets me do that is the left mirror in reverse, so it works only in one scenario.

Which of the two would you choose, if you could only have one? Similarly, would you drop Adaptive M Suspension (coming from a DHP car)?
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if the base sound is fine for you than go with cameras.

you don't wanna curb them wheels...cameras are difficult and costly to DIY if you try to add them later.

Bimmertech Amp and Bavsound or Mirage speaker upgrades are an easier DIY if you find the base audio lacking.
^Agreed. You can upgrade the sound later, cameras, not so much.

I would imagine the front side view cameras would be pretty useful in SoCal, as I've identified many places I drive where they'd be useful now in the Bay Area.
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After much thought, I've decided to get the M-Sport w/ Estoril Blue! So this is how my build looks

328d xDrive Sports Wagon
  • Black SensaTec
  • Fineline Anthracite Wood Trim
  • Driver Assistance Package
  • M-Sport Package
  • Adaptive M Suspension
  • Premium Package
  • Navigation
  • Active Cruise Control
  • Parking Assistant
Excellent, excellent choices.

1. M-sport is a must on the wagon
2. Adaptive is the best suspension option available with xdrive.

I went with the anthracite on mine, but if I had the choice, I would have gone with the ash. It has more character and just looks a bit higher quality. As long as you put your eye on both in person, of course it is your opinion that matters.

I see more use for the cameras than for the parking assist, but I chose neither. The HK audio is better than the hifi, but I only had access to hifi, so I went with bavsound and bimmertech upgrade and it is certainly better than HK. Not really a recommendation, but things to think about.
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