[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by exl_ent_v6

maybe you should get the "caddy that zigs" hahaha

Dude, you have the driver assistance package-plus in your car...

[kern417]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Dude, you have the driver assistance package-plus in your car...

[TekUK]

I've owned an E46 330ci, E90 335d and now a F36 435d Gran Coupe. E46 was the best drivers car in terms of handling and feedback, but I find the 435d more enjoyable to drive than the E90 335d.

[xlover]

This thread needs a haters ball meme desperately

[jeffc83]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Had one as a loaner for a few hours. Didn't put more than 30 miles on it, but ugh. If that is the current state of the 3-series, then BMW has totally left me as a sales target. Out of curiosity I pulled the engine cover (to be honest I was trying to figure out if the motor was an N20 or N55), I pity the techs who have to work on these new BMWs. The engine looked more like a piece of NASA space hardware than an auto engine.

And the F3X chassis still drives like crap (I initially drove on back in 2912 before BMW supposedly revamped the F3X suspension). My wife commented that it rides and handles worse than my E90. And she's comparing a brand new F3X chassis to a 330,000-mile E90 that needs a suspension refresh (150,000 miles aged). The steering has absolutely no feel, and is completely artificially weighted. The brakes have no modulation at all; she commented "why are you slamming on the brakes"? The brakes are far over boosted on initial pedal application; I was barely touching them.

Pathetic.

If you want a driver's car, look elsewhere, like at Cadillac.

Note: The Mods moved this thread over to the F3X Forum. I originally posted it in the General BMW Forum. My rant was for BMW. If you guys enjoy the F3X chassis, then good on you. Enjoy the BMW brand, I have for 30 years.

Interesting; I've been there done and that 5 times over with different Cadillac's and am NEVER going back! The list is just too long to bother with so in my case, I have experienced the complete opposite of you. Having said that, the steering is "better" than it was but not great so I agree with you on that. With this BMW, I have VERY few gripes and even then they are minor...can't say that about my "GM" experience whatsoever!

Wait....this is the 430 Grand whatever? Damn BMW makes way too many models....lol

[Blubaron79]

You were probably driving a 430 xdrive with the soft suspension. This explains your poor experience.

[Blubaron79]

Originally Posted by xlover

This thread needs a haters ball meme desperately

Done [IMG][/IMG]

[torkles]

this thread smells of a trolling attention whore.

i know nobody asked me, but look at me hating on what you all love and here's why.

[technologic]

Originally Posted by torkles

this thread smells of a trolling attention whore.

i know nobody asked me, but look at me hating on what you all love and here's why.

You dont need to bother to smell you can just see that someone actually takes the time to go on a BMW 4 series message board to say the 4 series is a pile of crap.

There are really nice people here, I have to say. A bunch of polite replies trying to positively engage. Not what the OP was looking for obviously.

[otay]

Originally Posted by torkles

this thread smells of a trolling attention whore.

i know nobody asked me, but look at me hating on what you all love and here's why.

Originally Posted by technologic

You dont need to bother to smell you can just see that someone actually takes the time to go on a BMW 4 series message board to say the 4 series is a pile of crap.

There are really nice people here, I have to say. A bunch of polite replies trying to positively engage. Not what the OP was looking for obviously.

Guys, calm down. Set your bias aside for a minute. He's saying the base 4 series sucks. And that, basically, BMW is now catering to the lowest common denominator, instead of what they used to be...the "ultimate driving machine". Have you not heard these complaints hundreds of times before? Have you driven a base F3x and compared to higher spec'd models?

You can argue whether or not BMW is on the right path, but you can't argue with the fact that BMW has been "dumbing down" their vehicles for some time now to chase market share. Base models are shite.

Personally, I want to hear negative opinions. Makes me think more critically. Bring it on.

[technologic]

Originally Posted by otay

Guys, calm down. Set your bias aside for a minute. He's saying the base 4 series sucks. And that, basically, BMW is now catering to the lowest common denominator, instead of what they used to be...the "ultimate driving machine". Have you not heard these complaints hundreds of times before? Have you driven a base F3x and compared to higher spec'd models?

I guess you make a decent point in regards to engines. The straight six is a different car. But the other options are just incremental improvements. They don't change the nature of the car.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by technologic

You dont need to bother to smell you can just see that someone actually takes the time to go on a BMW 4 series message board to say the 4 series is a pile of crap.

There are really nice people here, I have to say. A bunch of polite replies trying to positively engage. Not what the OP was looking for obviously.

Smokey, if you read my first post, I explained that the Mods moved my thread here to the F3X Forum. I originally posted the thread in the general BMW Discussion Forum. So get over it.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by otay

Guys, calm down. Set your bias aside for a minute. He's saying the base 4 series sucks. And that, basically, BMW is now catering to the lowest common denominator, instead of what they used to be...the "ultimate driving machine". Have you not heard these complaints hundreds of times before? Have you driven a base F3x and compared to higher spec'd models?

You can argue whether or not BMW is on the right path, but you can't argue with the fact that BMW has been "dumbing down" their vehicles for some time now to chase market share. Base models are shite.

Personally, I want to hear negative opinions. Makes me think more critically. Bring it on.

Again, a base BMW now is with leather and costs $48K? Sometime in 2013 IIRC I test dove a F30 320i with a sport package (and I do know that car had the N20 detuned to 180HP) and regardless of the cylinder count, the chassis was seriously lame; 180 HP made it even worse. The salesman (who sold me my E90 325i in 2006) right off the bat offered me $10K off the MSRP price (my E90 had over 240,000 miles on it back then) so he figured I was ready for a new car. This was the same salesman in 2006 that I barely could get $900 of the ordered price of my E90...

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Blubaron79

You were probably driving a 430 xdrive with the soft suspension. This explains your poor experience.

Nah, it wasn't an xdrive.

[jd_perspective]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Dude, you have the driver assistance package-plus in your car...

Exactly. Because I buy what I want and load it up! Don't think your "burn" worked haha Caddy-boy

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by exl_ent_v6

Exactly. Because I buy what I want and load it up! Don't think your "burn" worked haha Caddy-boy

Ah, a person who can't drive, yet buys the Ultimate Driving Machine then loads it up so the vehicle drives for him. Yup, no wonder why the F3X totally sucks and Cadillac builds the real ultimate driving machine. BMW caters to you. Thanks for fucking up a once great car company.

My car has forward collision technology too; it's called Efthreeoh.

Have fun my friend (playing with the oxymoronic iDrive)

You are known to us original Bimmerheads as a Roundelhound.

LOL

[kern417]

OP, i think i found a forum built for you.

https://www.reddit.com/r/iamverybadass/

[pltek]

if you dont like the suspension, modify it with springs, sways or coilovers. same with power, if you want more but a 300usd dinan boost controller.

i have a 2016 428GC and love it. could it be better, sure, thats why there are performance products out there or you can config your BMW with bigger rims, adaptible suspension, bigger engine, etc.

what ticks me off is the contant penny pinching by BMW. they cut the warranty down, now you only get one autodimming side mirror on 17s and up, they charge $ for every option, their lease programs are less and less attractive and on and on.

the audi a4/a5 is nice, because its a lot younger than current 3/4 series, wait till next year for G20 then compare to Audi. One thing that i give Audi is that you get more for your $, for sure.

[SilverRevlis]

I just got a 18' 440i GC xDrive M Sport (22 miles on the ODO) as a loaner with my F10 in the shop. I can honestly say, compared to the last GC loaner I had, the steering feels a bit faster, and maybe it's all in my head, but it actually feels noticeably better in the feedback department.

[syenisch]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Ah, a person who can't drive, yet buys the Ultimate Driving Machine then loads it up so the vehicle drives for him. Yup, no wonder why the F3X totally sucks and Cadillac builds the real ultimate driving machine. BMW caters to you. Thanks for fucking up a once great car company.

My car has forward collision technology too; it's called Efthreeoh.

Have fun my friend (playing with the oxymoronic iDrive)

You are known to us original Bimmerheads as a Roundelhound.

LOL

[CalCarNut]

OP has been around forever so I wouldn't consider him a 'troll'. He's entitled to his opinion on the car he drove. I like my 428 GC with the 704 suspension etc. I dislike the sound of the engine but it provides sufficient punch for a turbo 4. The brakes are good..but are a bit 'touchy' imo as well..you have to modulate them because they do grab a bit harder than you'd want in day to day stop/go traffic but that's okay with me. I'd rather have that than the opposite of 'where the eff are they??' as you try and stop. I wouldn't trade it for most of whats on the market currently...

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by CalCarNut

OP has been around forever so I wouldn't consider him a 'troll'. He's entitled to his opinion on the car he drove. I like my 428 GC with the 704 suspension etc. I dislike the sound of the engine but it provides sufficient punch for a turbo 4. The brakes are good..but are a bit 'touchy' imo as well..you have to modulate them because they do grab a bit harder than you'd want in day to day stop/go traffic but that's okay with me. I'd rather have that than the opposite of 'where the eff are they??' as you try and stop. I wouldn't trade it for most of whats on the market currently...

Thanks for the support. Like I said, the Mods moved my thread to the F3X Forum. It wasn't my intention to start a fight about it. I just commented originally on the General Forum that I didn't like the 430GS. Not only have I've been on the E90 Post Forum for over 11 years, I've got 30 years and 850,000 miles of BMW ownership under my belt via an E30, E37, E86, and E90 (all 3-series based cars). The fleet still has three of them less the E30. I bet in 30 years I've spent more on parts than some people here have spent on purchase of a BMW automobile and got their panties in a wad over my comments. That said, I'm pretty damned familiar with BMW brakes. The brakes on the several recent BMW I've driven are still quite effective, yet are now over boosted on first bite and lack any modulation.

And any BMW that pumps engine sound through the audio system is a complete joke. Sorry, but BMW has lost it's way.