[ishowerinjager]

Just wondering what you guys think the pattern should be.

Vehicle: 2017 340i m sport

Summer is staggered setup 20' 405m wheels non directional

Winter is non staggered 18' non directional

Curious more so for my staggered setup, should I rotate side to side or just leave them.

[bimmer456]

I would consult the manual for the tires and BMW. Mine are directional so they should not be rotated.

[John in VA]

For decades BMW has not advocated tire rotation. The tires "take a set" on the corner they are mounted on & moving them can upset the wear pattern. A quick search found:
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=253700
https://www.cartalk.com/content/owne...-my-bmw-i-says

[kern417]

uhh... that ^^^ is the whole reason why you should rotate your tires. it doesn't matter what bmw says.

[Orion4]

From my 2013 F30 (335) 3 Series Owners manual:

"Rotating wheels between axles
The manufacturer of your vehicle advises
against swapping wheels between the front and
rear axles.
This can impair the handling characteristics."

[sspade]

As long as the set up is square:

Cross to the front, straight back.

[MacklinUSOB]

Originally Posted by Orion4

From my 2013 F30 (335) 3 Series Owners manual:

"Rotating wheels between axles
The manufacturer of your vehicle advises
against swapping wheels between the front and
rear axles.
This can impair the handling characteristics."

"Impair handling characteristics" is a little too overbroad and indemonstrable for me to follow, especially when all tire manufacturers that BMW use void warranties on unrotated tires. The real handling impairment would be from letting them wear unevenly from lack of rotation.

Michelin Owners Manual/Warranty Terms: "In order to maintain the treadwear warranty on your tires, the tires must be rotated every 6,000 to 8,000 miles (10,000 -12,000 km), or as recommended by the vehicle manufacturer, whichever rotation period is less. Failure to rotate the tires as provided herein voids the treadwear warranty.."

Continental Total Confidence Plan Terms: "Tire(s) that have not been rotated at least every 6,000 to 8,000 miles (10–13,000 Kilometers), as evidenced by a completed Rotation Schedule, are excluded from this coverage."

[Johnny250]

he is asking for his staggered setup, the clear answer is no, don't rotate them.

[ishowerinjager]

Originally Posted by Johnny250

he is asking for his staggered setup, the clear answer is no, don't rotate them.

Thanx for the answered everyone. I'm going to go with the don't rotate option.

Much appreciated.

[sspade]

Originally Posted by ishowerinjager

Just wondering what you guys think the pattern should be.

Vehicle: 2017 340i m sport

Summer is staggered setup 20' 405m wheels non directional

Winter is non staggered 18' non directional

Curious more so for my staggered setup, should I rotate side to side or just leave them.

Original post was asking for two different set ups.

Not rotating your tires with a square set up is simply a dumb idea... regardless of who disagrees.

In the past, I have swapped wheels side to side on staggered set up but If you are only putting five or eight thousand on per summer then maybe not as necessary.

I will be rotating my DSW06's every 5k with oil service. I will also be riding these for 60k miles. Choosing to not rotate and wear a thousand dollar set of tires out prematurely is just silly!

[ishowerinjager]

Originally Posted by sspade

Original post was asking for two different set ups.

Not rotating your tires with a square set up is simply a dumb idea... regardless of who disagrees.

In the past, I have swapped wheels side to side on staggered set up but If you are only putting five or eight thousand on per summer then maybe not as necessary.

I will be rotating my DSW06's every 5k with oil service. I will also be riding these for 60k miles. Choosing to not rotate and wear a thousand dollar set of tires out prematurely is just silly!

I will definitely be rotating my non staggered set. The staggered on the other hand I will not

[kern417]

Originally Posted by Orion4

From my 2013 F30 (335) 3 Series Owners manual:

"Rotating wheels between axles
The manufacturer of your vehicle advises
against swapping wheels between the front and
rear axles.
This can impair the handling characteristics."

Of course they don't recommend front to back. But even with a staggered setup you should swap left to right. I've even flipped tires in the past so I can rotate directional tires (pay $40 for a tire shop to remove the tire and mount it in reverse, then move the wheel to the opposite side). No matter what the car is, the way tires work will be the same. And most of us make the same trip 5 days a week, and that trip will have more right turns than left turns or vice versa. So you should, by all means, rotate at least left to right so that both tires wear as evenly as possible.

The only thing I can think of is a directional tire that specifies which shoulder should be on the outside, but I can't think of any tires that are designed that way off the top of my head. And i'm almost positive no OEM tires are directional.

[sspade]

Agreed. If it were me, I would even swap staggered side to side... as I have done in the past.

[Orion4]

BMW only states not advised to rotation front to rear, rear to front. They dont address side to side. I just sent a msg to BMW USA about their statement and our discussion. Will pass on what I get as a response- if any

[ishowerinjager]

Originally Posted by Orion4

BMW only states not advised to rotation front to rear, rear to front. They dont address side to side. I just sent a msg to BMW USA about their statement and our discussion. Will pass on what I get as a response- if any

Great, I'm interested to hear what they say

[vooonoo]

Here you go



if you have xdrive i'd do the x pattern on the non-staggered wheels, for staggered Go left to right and right to left

[Orion4]

Surprizingly, I received a response from BMWNA this morning. See below:

(Quote)
Thank you for writing to BMW of North America, LLC regarding tire rotation for your 2013 BMW 335i Sedan. We appreciate your inquiry.

Different wear patterns can occur on the front and rear axles depending on individual driving conditions. The tires can be rotated between the axles to achieve even wear. After rotating, the tire pressure should be checked and corrected if needed.

Rotating the tires is not an option on vehicles with different tire sizes or rim sizes on the front and rear axles.

Should you require additional information, the service team at your authorized BMW center has the expertise and knowledge to further assist you. For your reference, a list of our authorized BMW centers can be found on www.bmwusa.com; simply select the “Find a Dealer” link located at the bottom of the page.
(Unquote)

[MacklinUSOB]

Originally Posted by Orion4

Surprizingly, I received a response from BMWNA this morning. See below:

(Quote)
Thank you for writing to BMW of North America, LLC regarding tire rotation for your 2013 BMW 335i Sedan. We appreciate your inquiry.

Different wear patterns can occur on the front and rear axles depending on individual driving conditions. The tires can be rotated between the axles to achieve even wear. After rotating, the tire pressure should be checked and corrected if needed.

Rotating the tires is not an option on vehicles with different tire sizes or rim sizes on the front and rear axles.

Should you require additional information, the service team at your authorized BMW center has the expertise and knowledge to further assist you. For your reference, a list of our authorized BMW centers can be found on www.bmwusa.com; simply select the “Find a Dealer” link located at the bottom of the page.
(Unquote)

I was genuinely surprised to see that quote from the owners manual at first, saying not to rotate them. This answer makes a lot more sense, glad you reached out. My guess would be they ship many cars with staggered set-ups that they wouldn't want to have conflicting recommendations at all, but how hard would it have been to add "do not rotate wheels between axles when equipped with m-sport package" or similar to what they told you above... Just plain weird.

[kern417]

The problem they are completely skipping is tires will wear unevenly from side to side as well. You don't only rotate tires front to back.

Do what you want, but it's not rocket science. BMW will also tell you there is only one brand of oil, coolant, probably even gas if Shell tossed them a few bucks. There is a lot of engineering and development behind our cars but at the end of the day, it's still just a car. All the rules of physics still apply.