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12-31-2012, 10:44 AM | #69 |
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+1... exactly correct. Jam the brakes on ice in either xDrive or RWD and you end up in a tree. Take a corner too fast in either and, as x-men says, you end up in a ditch.
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So, take a corner without gas or brake. If DSC activates it proves nothing as it would in the same circumstance on a RWD car too. You really still don't believe all of us (including some with xDrive) who have said the same thing over and over again? I admire your dedication to your cause
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I'm not trying to prove anything. I just wanted to see if these safety features activated without gas or brake application.
I already know which is best so no need to prove anything |
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Ppl really think xDrive will save ur ass from stupidity in the snow...that's why I stay away from people with AWD when it's snowing.
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i've had rwd e60 and rwd e90, currently driving awd f30.
IMO, its not the speed or acceleration that provide most of driving pleasure. I used to love the level of control over vehichle, road feel and predictability that even base BMWs used to provide. Not a huge fan of my F30. AWD certainly feels different. Some might enjoy the increased "grip", but you loose the RWD sensation. You can feel the power driven to the front axle trying to interfere with the steering. Front of the car jumps up when you start moving. You certainly feel increased height in turns, even during normal driving, although the new super soft base suspension is partially to blame for that. Car is a bit less nimble than RWD F30s i have driven. It's still a great car, with descent handling, just a bit less than the RWD version IMO. Now, to be fair, i have driven an e90 xdrive loaner, and it had more of a RWD feel than F30 xdrive. So maybe it's an F30 issue. The reason I got the xdrive is the 2010 christmas snow storm in NYC, we got something like 20 inches of heavy wet snow in one day. My RWD e90 with stock all seasons was getting hopelessly stuck everywhere. I grew up in Russia, so i am somewhat used to driving in the snow with a RWD Lada, but e90 being so much lower and wide tires, it was set up to fail. Have not had any snow yet this year, curious to see how xdrive will perform if we get any. However considering all of the above, the next vehicle will be rwd, and will just stay in the garage on those few snow days. But if i lived in a region where it snows a lot, i would learn to live with AWD. |
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I agree there are advantages of AWD, I never argued against the benefits. However I notice you keep talking about your Evo and are relating its performance to the BMW Xi drive. It very well may be same, however as I said earlier, I've never seen an documented proof (reviews, BMW marketing, etc) that a BMW Xi outperforms its RWD counterparts in normal conditions. If that was the case, why wouldn't BMW offer an M car with AWD? |
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Where the coefficient of friction= Ff = μ · N Ff = frictional force (N, lb) μ = static (μs) or kinetic (μk) frictional coefficient N = normal force (N, lb) As the coefficient of friction approach zero as with ice, μ(ice)= 0.05, the frictional force approach zero as well. |
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That's what happens when you don't put good winter tires on and have a RWD car... bad, very bad...
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Intrinsically there are benefits and disadvantages to both, and how much you end up feeling those characteristics are an advantage or disadvantage depends on lot, IMHO, on your circumstances (e.g. where you live, your driving conditions), your needs and the other cars you may or may not have. When I bought my 335i, I wanted a car with the sportiest handling possible. I've lived with it 3 winters in a climate similar to that of Toronto. It did fine, but the x-drive variant I had for 2 weeks one winter (E92, with winter tires), was more confidence inspiring in winter, no question about it. Our 335i RWD has served us well as the "go-to car" when the M stays in the garage due to snow++. (the M wears its snows in winter too, but we don't want to risk damaging the lower-sitting car. ) We've also now driven an F30 with x-drive with the M adaptive suspension and came away very impressed (although some of that may be due to the improved 6MT short shifter, lol). I think this suspension option available for the first time on an x-drive model helps, even if it doesn't lower the ride height. And like another poster said, I personally don't think there's anything wrong with the stock x-drive ride. If we were to replace the E92 with an F30/F32, that's how we've go, since we now have another RWD in the garage. Happy holidays all, and may you have lots of opportunity to get out and drive this week!
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Good so far
Just picked up my new 2013 328i xDrive yesterday. Of course it started snowing again here in Ohio, right before I got to the dealership, so the beautiful black car is now soiled..
However, after 1.5-2" of sloppy wet snow came down with a totally sloppy mess on the highways, the car (and Conti all-season tires) seemed to do pretty well. Always felt in control even at 40-50 mph highway speeds right in the middle of the snowfall. Did well on all surfaces: wet, deeper snow, slush, and even in areas where there was ice underneath. Very balanced and level. Totally impressed so far. We'll see as winter plays out. |
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You tell yourself it transfers power if you don`t push the gas pedal there is no power to transfer.
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I've got new Blizzacks on my F30 and it does quite well for a RWD car in the snow. I think it's a blend of decent tires and an experienced driver that results in favorable feedback for RWD car in the snow regardless of the brand of car.
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And the best part? Leasing the xDrive is actually cheaper than RWD, at least up here in Toronto. I originally ordered the RWD but the salesperson asked me if I would take the same car but in xDrive for same monthly payment. I said sure. It actually turned out to be less in the end. Why? The residual is significantly higher on the xDrive. I believe 55% vs 48% (i may not have the exact #s) on a 4 year lease. And just to be clear, the extra $2k for xDrive was tacked on to the invoice but the monthly payment was $25/month less than the exact same equipped RWD 328i. |
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A lot of the times, thats the case with leasing or buying. If you find a AWD on the lot, its usually cheaper or about the same price as ordering a RWD up here in the Northeast US.
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