05-18-2018, 09:25 AM | #1 |
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Who makes BMW’s standard speakers in the F30?
When I picked up my 2015 335i m sport, the BMW genius told me Harmon Kardon makes all of their speakers and the the premium speaker package just had more speakers with more “juice”
Is this accurate? Edit: From a business standpoint, this would make sense, one vendor typically equals better prices due to volume.
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I think the speakers are Philips. I don't think there's any difference between the Hi-Fi and HK system speakers, just that the HK has more of them. HK makes the Hi-Fi head unit and amp as well. The main difference between the two is the added power and EQ of the HK system. The stock speakers are actually pretty good. I see all sorts of claims of how much better after market speakers are but no real data to support it. Not long ago one speaker manufacturer offered a new product for user testing. I looked into it and the deal was you'd get a discounted price, but only as a rebate if you favorably reviewed them. I countered with an offer to subject them to a full spectrum of professional tests, comparing them to the stock speakers, as I am a professional acoustical engineer. I was not going to pay for them, nor would I guarantee a positive review, I'd let the chips fall where they may. I can't say if they were concerned that the speakers literally wouldn't measure up to the claims made for them, but they didn't take me up on the offer.
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For me, the difference between HK and upgrades HAS been significantly different in other cars, but of course purely subjective opinion. Going from the HK setup to upgrade kit in my X5 was mind blowing.. its a cathedral to music now with the change. (granted, there are 1,000 variables effecting the state of the HK speakers by the time I got them including, time, abuse, break in and who knows what) I don't have your skills and no doubt tools, but any suggestions on how to review to a better degree than "they just sound better"?
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https://www.parts-express.com/minids...phone--230-332 You can get a mic as part of a complete testing software package for $350, https://www.parts-express.com/dayton...undle--390-800 but you can also use it with free testing software like Room EQ Wizard, which has extensive support. https://www.roomeqwizard.com/ |
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I really like the “basic” speaker system. I mostly listen to news, podcasts, and music peppered in between- so I don’t need anything too crazy. I’m just curious as to who makes the speakers.
Billfitz how do you know it’s Phillips? Thanks!
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Here's an article on Harmon Kardon Logic 7 Surround Sound System for F30.
There is no mention of Phillips being a supplier but others are mentioned. https://news.harman.com/releases/top...d-sound-system The speakers are better quality with Harman Kardon than with base HiFi as verified by GlennNY who is an audio engineeer as well. I have HK system in my 2014 F30 and it is hands down superior not only the sound quality but also the volume of the sound with the 600 watt amp. At 1/4 volume it blows out your ears with modified EQ settings which base HiFi system does not have. I listen to my music from the hard drive built in which is fast and can hold up to 20K mp3 songs so I don't have to use my iphone or any other external device. Last edited by tympj; 05-18-2018 at 08:08 PM.. |
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By the label on the magnet that says 'Philips'. I had to look at a picture of them to refresh my memory.
If you search 'BMW speaker brand' you don't find anything, but if you google 'BMW Philips speakers' there's plenty of links and pictures. They're by no means cheap drivers. One might get that impression from the small magnets, but said magnets are neodymium, which are 1/8 the size and weight of equivalent ceramic magnets but cost twice as much. |
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The base and HiFi speakers are made by D&M Premium Sound Solutions: https://www.premiumsoundsolutions.com/ they're OEM manufacturers for a LOT of car audio systems. They make crap systems, they make great systems, it's all determined by the customer's requirements and budget. It's also worth noting that you absolutely cannot rate the speakers in a car based on the manufacturer. Nor can you rate the manufacturer based on the speaker. The drive units will have been made to a budget and that is what determines the quality. Both manufacturers above would be capable of designing top end drive units if they needed to. I suspect the only reason the HK system uses Harman units is for licensing/copyright.
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Harmon Kardon makes speakers... Of course they're going to use their speakers in their branded systems! BTW... They're also using their in-house Logic signal processing too.
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Having just completely gutted my OEM Harman-Kardon Premium Hi Fi system... I can assure you that Harman Kardon does not make the speakers... they are made by Philips. http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1506949 The Logic-7 amp is made by Harman/Becker. The DSP tuning is done by Harman. The speakers in a premium system are identical to the speakers in a basic system... they just add a few more for the premium system. |
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Anyone who tells you the BMW HK Speakers have Phillips on the magnet of the F series is flat out lying. No other way to put it.
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Also of note, 3 different part numbers for the rear door midrange speakers depending on Standard, Hi-Fi or HK. HK not in sequence as the other 2 are. BMW would not use different part numbers if same speakers. |
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This isn't new by any means. Any musician who's ever seen the inside of a Fender speaker has seen the 'Fender Special Design' sticker on the drivers. Going back to the 1950's Leo Fender always sourced his drivers, and always from whoever gave him the best price. The only thing different about Fender Special Design drivers from off the shelf was the sticker. |
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Harman has been making speakers with their sister brands (Infinity & JBL to mention a few) since many years.
Some speakers they buy from OEM suppliers (SB, Philips and many others), but development are in-house. //Chris Quote:
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