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I don't like Audi customer service as much as BMW. I took ED on my 2009 e90 and was very happy, when I went with my mom last year when she took ED on her A4 I wasn't very impressed. Also, my car dealer sells both Audi and BMW and I've always been treated better by the BMW reps, though that could be due to staff idiosyncrasies more than corporate policy. |
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07-06-2012, 05:36 PM | #68 | |
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2007 0-60 4.9 sec 2012 0-60 4.7 sec 2007 1/4 mile 13.4 sec 2012 1/4 mile 13.3 sec 2007 skipad .90g 2012 skipad .90g Pretty similiar. Just thought the feedback would be healthy |
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The S4 used to be the M3 competitor. Now that it's not even a contest, people started comparing the S4 to the 335 to be more charitable. Audi's not "doing a better job differentiating", they are bringing the RS4 to the US finally, in order to compete. |
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07-08-2012, 12:52 AM | #70 | |
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The 335is has more power because BMW tuned it to have more power and bumped up the boost. It's obvious. The 335i is not that much quicker than the 328i? Are you kidding? If you accept that, then why harp on the 335i against the S4? F30 335i 4.7 to 60. S4 4.4. That's a .3 sec difference. F30 328i 5.6, F30 335i 4.7. That's nearly 1 second. You seem to change your definitions of what is fast depending on what point you need to make. The N55 is the next gen. turbo. It's quite modern. BMW can give it more power, and maybe they will. But it's not likely they will go back to the older tech N54. They'll just tune the N55 for more power. The PPK will be available this fall. It should have been part of the Msport, but maybe it will be once the PPK comes out. |
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07-08-2012, 01:01 AM | #71 |
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Main reason I'll never go near Audi (or Lexus) ever again - some very bad personal experiences with these dealers in the past.
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07-08-2012, 10:42 AM | #72 |
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Never owned a S4 but had an A4. Worst car I ever owned. Always in for repairs. Even the service manager at the dealership told me to sell the car. Audi North America was terrible to deal with. One manufacturer on my 'never again' list.
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07-08-2012, 03:26 PM | #73 |
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Aren't the residuals for leasing better on the Audi's than the BMW's? All I know is that it seems tough to find any leasing deals/inventory for most Audi's (w/ exception of A3) whenever I looked. Seems as if you have to go to the dealer website to find any deals and none are shown on AUDI USA website.
Test-drove the 335i w/ sport auto and was sold. I also like the revised interior of the F30 and more tauter/aggressive styling. The S4 doesn't differentiate itself too much from the regular A4 in my opinion--w/ the exception of the engine. For .3/.4 sec difference in 0-60? I'll take the BMW- |
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Biggest thing with an Audi is that it is AWD. Therefore, it with corner better in the turns unless you buy an xdrive m-sport.
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I've been poring over Sport vs M-Sport trying to decide between them, and one thing that keeps popping out is the M-Sport has a much larger appearing air intake area. And I remember reading something about M-Sport not offering fog lights in the US, for improved cooling, while the Sport Line has fog lights. Thanks Bruce |
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http://www.shopbmwusa.com/ProductLis...=241&perf=true Basically $850 for an 18hp bump and a 22tq gain in manual cars or 37tq gain in auto cars. Or spend another $700 (before install) and get an extra water cooler and enhanced cooling fan feature for extreme driving conditions. That just sounds like something good to have in hot climates anyway. I think it's kind of weak considering most aftermarket companies are offering 3 times the power gains. |
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My 2006 A4 2.0T didn't have any more of less issues than my E46 325i or my 135i, which is to say, not much at all.
There were a couple of things on all of them, but mechanical things can at times have some issues. But, that's what warranties are for. |
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07-09-2012, 09:30 PM | #83 |
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A lot of magazine racing going on in this thread. Both are great cars, and anyone here would be more than happy with either. The s4 feels a little bit quicker after driving both back to back, but not enough to justify a decision one way or the other.
I ended up going with a 2013 s4 (from a 2008 335i) for a number of reasons, but I'm sure I would've been happy in the f30. Instead of quoting magazine stats just go drive them both. |
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