Was hyped to order a 428i xdrive but the IS350 F-sport looks good (and leases CHEAP)

Jamesons Viggen · 01-22-2014, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Bassthe1st

The Lexus is supposed to be the new driver's car to get and based on my 2008 335Xi to the F30 I have no reason to doubt it. The F30 is quite a bit softer than the previous versions, not that it's a bad thing in some cases. Performance wise, the IS350 is nowhere near the 335/435, but it sure is faster than the 328/428!

You're lucky if the residual is so low; over here it's only 50% after 36 months making the IS350 F much more expensive then a 328i.

IS350 faster than the 328/428? More like equal at best.

The 428 is typically showing high 13's and 0-60 at 5.1-5.5. You will find the Lexus is NOT faster.

Sedan_Clan · 01-22-2014, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by shivaswrath

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Originally Posted by roundel335

I don't know what kind of F30 you've driven, but mine sure as hell doesn't feel "hollow" and the chassis and "driving dynamics" are superior to any Toyota I've ever driven (remember, the Lexus is an overpriced upscale Toyota). Interior-wise, I prefer my 335i M-Sport's interior to anything from Japan.

To each their own, but it's going to be hard to get most people on here to recommend a brand other than BMW. Might get more encouragement from a Lexus forum (if there are such things). Think about this, too - that Lexus is offering "deals" on the F-Sport is probably an indicator that they're not selling well or they're selling/leasing on a very low margin just to boost sales figures. If money's the big factor, then Kia or Hyundai would probably be an even better deal. Moral of the story is that you don't get what you don't pay for.

My wife loves the lexus.
I love the BMW.

And I suspect most IS drivers are female. Just my $.02 observation....

...and you'd be right.

335BOY · 01-22-2014, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by shivaswrath

My wife loves the lexus.
I love the BMW.

And I suspect most IS drivers are female. Just my $.02 observation....

Happy Wife, happy life!. If it makes you feel any better, most(80%ish) 3rs around here are driven by women. 4s seem to be driven by men. All car companies are battling for business. BMW heavily discounts at year end just like everyone else. Tough call as they are both nice cars.

OC40 · 01-22-2014, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by shivaswrath

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Originally Posted by roundel335

I don't know what kind of F30 you've driven, but mine sure as hell doesn't feel "hollow" and the chassis and "driving dynamics" are superior to any Toyota I've ever driven (remember, the Lexus is an overpriced upscale Toyota). Interior-wise, I prefer my 335i M-Sport's interior to anything from Japan.

To each their own, but it's going to be hard to get most people on here to recommend a brand other than BMW. Might get more encouragement from a Lexus forum (if there are such things). Think about this, too - that Lexus is offering "deals" on the F-Sport is probably an indicator that they're not selling well or they're selling/leasing on a very low margin just to boost sales figures. If money's the big factor, then Kia or Hyundai would probably be an even better deal. Moral of the story is that you don't get what you don't pay for.

My wife loves the lexus.
I love the BMW.

And I suspect most IS drivers are female. Just my $.02 observation....

There are 25 million IS' on the road in Orange County (numbers are approximate). 99.9% of them are female, so your observation is fact (at least in OC).

OC40 · 01-22-2014, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 335BOY

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Originally Posted by shivaswrath

My wife loves the lexus.
I love the BMW.

And I suspect most IS drivers are female. Just my $.02 observation....

Happy Wife, happy life!. If it makes you feel any better, most(80%ish) 3rs around here are driven by women. 4s seem to be driven by men. All car companies are battling for business. BMW heavily discounts at year end just like everyone else. Tough call as they are both nice cars.

Same here except: woman are driving 328's and men are driving 335's.

shivaswrath · 01-22-2014, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by OC40

Same here except: woman are driving 328's and men are driving 335's.

Yes, seems like 90% men (outside of a coworker of mine), are men driving 335i's.

nicknaz · 01-22-2014, 11:45 AM

You aren't going to find the answer on the internet on this one... since it is all about what YOU want.

If you get IS350 and regret not getting the 4 series, that's not a good outcome. Or, if you could save money and be equally happy with IS350 that is a great outcome too.

Have you checked the 3er residuals? Might be a good way to save money.

bmw-nj · 01-22-2014, 12:40 PM

I believe the residual is 63% for a 36 month lease with 10k miles.

Nick the Greek · 01-22-2014, 01:35 PM

Does the Lexus brand have any image in the USA and Canada? Here in the UK the image is zero, or, if there is one, it's a car for old people. Wouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as BMW, Audi and Merc.....

eekthecat · 01-22-2014, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick the Greek

Does the Lexus brand have any image in the USA and Canada? Here in the UK the image is zero, or, if there is one, it's a car for old people. Wouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as BMW, Audi and Merc.....

It isn't held in the same esteem as bmw, mb, or even audi, I think. But we like to pretend here on the forum that none of us are badge-whores.

elite. · 01-22-2014, 02:25 PM

In the US it has decent street cred. Its 25% less a month lol so about that. Motortrend just put it up against the 3 series and ATS and picked the Lexus for what its worth

335BOY · 01-22-2014, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by elite.

In the US it has decent street cred. Its 25% less a month lol so about that. Motortrend just put it up against the 3 series and ATS and picked the Lexus for what its worth

I'm glad someone found that article. Here come the excuses/reasons/explanations...............

elite. · 01-22-2014, 02:57 PM

Bottom line I need to drive it ;-) and form an opinion. But whatever motortend says is etched in stone and 100% accurate lol. Kidding

OC40 · 01-22-2014, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 335BOY

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Originally Posted by elite.

In the US it has decent street cred. Its 25% less a month lol so about that. Motortrend just put it up against the 3 series and ATS and picked the Lexus for what its worth

I'm glad someone found that article. Here come the excuses/reasons/explanations...............

It doesn't change the fact that the front and the rear of the IS is U-G-L-Y.

fecurtis · 01-22-2014, 03:08 PM

If the overall money savings are substantial (at 72% RV plus lower MSRP to begin with...they would be) then I'd say go for it, unless money isn't really a big deal to you as far as the max lease payment you're willing to stomach.

Lexus is really going out of it's way to change it's brand perception. Akio Toyoda really wants Lexus cars to actually be fun to drive so it's got that going for it. I personally think Lexus's new styling direction won't age very well. I loved the new look when I first saw it, fast forward 9 months and the car already looks like it's been on the market for years. But that's all subjective.

casualDIYer · 01-22-2014, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The J-Man

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The front-end of the Lexus is quite ugly.

J-Man is right. It is ugly. Butt ugly. But on the front. What the hell was Toyota thinking? It looks like someone said, "Well what happens if I just let the front grill drop all the way to the ground?"

It looks like the car got beat with the ugly stick, real good too

f1point0 · 01-22-2014, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by OC40

It doesn't change the fact that the front and the rear of the IS is U-G-L-Y.

Ditto, except I think the whole car is ugly...

casualDIYer · 01-22-2014, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by elite.

Bottom line I need to drive it ;-) and form an opinion. But whatever motortend says is etched in stone and 100% accurate lol. Kidding

Bottom line is you gotta like it. It's your money. Better enjoy what you spend it on.

alex2364 · 01-22-2014, 03:21 PM

I've test driven a regular IS350, IS350 F Sport, and F30 335i M-Sport with DHP. All were RWD and I have to say even a regular IS350 has better steering feel than F30 with DHP. But I don't like how you can't get an IS350 F Sport with any of the luxury or tech packages. It's like Lexus wants to limit you to either a bare bones F Sport or loaded regular IS350.

pkimM3r · 01-22-2014, 03:22 PM

all i know is when i hear some fella in an is350 fsport drive by wot, it sounds a whole lot better than some turbos LOL.

OC40 · 01-22-2014, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by f1point0

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Originally Posted by OC40

It doesn't change the fact that the front and the rear of the IS is U-G-L-Y.

Ditto, except I think the whole car is ugly...

Well stated. I get so caught up in the front and rear that I forget about the rest of the body sometimes.

btbossman · 01-22-2014, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by alex2364

I've test driven a regular IS350, IS350 F Sport, and F30 335i M-Sport with DHP. All were RWD and I have to say even a regular IS350 has better steering feel than F30 with DHP. But I don't like how you can't get an IS350 F Sport with any of the luxury or tech packages. It's like Lexus wants to limit you to either a bare bones F Sport or loaded regular IS350.

Steering is entirely subjective...I thought the f30 steering is super light at first, and the E9x was perfect...now if I drive an E9x I laugh, feels like no power steering.

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