Will the next generation 3-series, F30/F32 live up to the hype?

CarForHire · 02-23-2010, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Aonarch

I think that BMW is going to replace the sporty E90 with the next gen 1 series and the new F30 will be more like the 5 series. I just don't get what the justification is! I hate the F10 and E60 5 series, they are both too big. I'm all about the E39 M5, it is by far my favorite car, and I think its the best car that BMW has made.

If they make the 3 series any larger than I'm going to switch to Audi.... The new RS4 and RS6 is just ridiculously awesome, while the new M5 is just blah and big...

Exactly, The F10 reminds me so much of a 7 now. It's as if everything moved up. I'm curious to see what happens, but Audi sure is stepping it up. I hope BMW has some secrets under their sleeves.

valbauer · 03-01-2010, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Socom

unless your a track junkie LSD is overrated IMO.

MikeTerp · 03-07-2010, 07:53 PM

I don't know, but I do know that if BMW keeps adding length and weight to all their models, they will "whale out". The F10 is 5 inches and several hundred pounds heavier than my old E39. The F30 apparently will be bigger than the E90 (and heavier?). This in the face of increasing gas mileage requirements in the U.S. Don't tell us about turbo fours. BMWs are made to be driven and if you keep your foot in a turbo it will suck gas.
Stop the pig out, BMW.

OBI_agent · 03-08-2010, 08:12 AM

I voted yes because no matter what car enthusiast say, this car will meet the needs of other normal consumers. Which is, you gotto to admitt, they are in larger numbers

And those people prefer bigger interior space.

So BMW will have to answer this by increasing the length of the 3 series and thus gaining mass.
But I dont think it will be slower then a e90 335i ( N54 Unchipped

) because of the new transmission. It would most probably be a 8 speed auto or a 7 DCT which will a big improvement on the 6AT ZF auto. Not that the current 6 speed auto is bad but the replacement gear box will have shorter gear ratio thus helping in acceleration.

Hi.Spec · 03-27-2010, 12:05 AM

bmw is smart. this car will sell, no doubt. but will it be an enthusiasts car? i dunno. i think this is the real question.

rbaldwin28 · 03-27-2010, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Hi.Spec

bmw is smart. this car will sell, no doubt. but will it be an enthusiasts car? i dunno. i think this is the real question.

+1 That is the question. F30/32 Post?

wahoo · 03-30-2010, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeTerp

I don't know, but I do know that if BMW keeps adding length and weight to all their models, they will "whale out". The F10 is 5 inches and several hundred pounds heavier than my old E39. The F30 apparently will be bigger than the E90 (and heavier?). This in the face of increasing gas mileage requirements in the U.S. Don't tell us about turbo fours. BMWs are made to be driven and if you keep your foot in a turbo it will suck gas.
Stop the pig out, BMW.

+1. I think the lengthened design looks a bit awkward. Time will tell. It will probably grow on me. Regardless, I'm due for the next F30. Driving an E46' with 97k miles...sigh.

Overlord · 03-30-2010, 08:57 AM

At the rate BMW is going with continuing to increase the size of each series, the X5 will be H3 soon and the 7 will offer 3rd row seating. What are they going to do when the 1 series is the size of our current 3? New 0.5 series?

kenni243 · 03-30-2010, 03:18 PM

Do you see the current E90/92 out perform E46?
Do you see the current E90/92 M3 out perform E46 M3?

So the answer will be YES.

carve · 04-13-2010, 08:24 AM

The Euro pedestrian crash regs are going to force ever blunter front-ends, compromising styling in even worse ways than 5 mph bumpers did.

CAFE requirements means the powerful engines will become an increasingly expensive option.

It'll probably be bigger and heavier

kgb1637 · 04-13-2010, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by kenni243

Do you see the current E90/92 out perform E46?
Do you see the current E90/92 M3 out perform E46 M3?

So the answer will be YES.

BMW knows what they're doing, we doubt them now and when it comes out we will love it, I'm amped and can't wait to drive one.

bmrm396 · 04-13-2010, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kgb1637

BMW knows what they're doing, we doubt them now and when it comes out we will love it, I'm amped and can't wait to drive one.

thats what i said until my 335 HPFP died on the freeway ... right in front of the audi dealership (i thought that was too funny to be tru)

mtla4 · 04-14-2010, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Aonarch

If they make the 3 series any larger than I'm going to switch to Audi.... The new RS4 and RS6 is just ridiculously awesome, while the new M5 is just blah and big...

Wait a minute here I'm a big Audi guy...and I can tell you that the B8 A4/S4 are huge there almost as big as the current E60. The 5 series is 4 inches bigger that's it.

Well the new A3 will probably grow to the old B6 A4 size while the next 1 series grow to E46 size.

CarForHire · 04-14-2010, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mtla4

Wait a minute here I'm a big Audi guy...and I can tell you that the B8 A4/S4 are huge there almost as big as the current E60. The 5 series is 4 inches bigger that's it.

Well the new A3 will probably grow to the old B6 A4 size while the next 1 series grow to E46 size.

Yea, the B8 is large. Just go for a 1 series if you want small.

Bimmer Al · 04-14-2010, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeTerp

I don't know, but I do know that if BMW keeps adding length and weight to all their models, they will "whale out". The F10 is 5 inches and several hundred pounds heavier than my old E39. The F30 apparently will be bigger than the E90 (and heavier?). This in the face of increasing gas mileage requirements in the U.S. Don't tell us about turbo fours. BMWs are made to be driven and if you keep your foot in a turbo it will suck gas.
Stop the pig out, BMW.

Here is the deal. As long as the bulk of people keep getting bigger/fatter, consumers will want larger cars with wider seats and larger cars. Unfortunately that does not bode well for the US/North American car market.

Bimmer Al · 04-14-2010, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Overlord

At the rate BMW is going with continuing to increase the size of each series, the X5 will be H3 soon and the 7 will offer 3rd row seating. What are they going to do when the 1 series is the size of our current 3? New 0.5 series?

ALPINE6SPD · 04-17-2010, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SCA

Two facts, the next 3-Series will be larger and heavier.

just like the e90 and the e46

CarForHire · 04-17-2010, 01:00 PM

Their target market has changed.

ALPINE6SPD · 04-17-2010, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kgb1637

I'm pretty sure this has been said from year to year, I'm sure in 2004 during speculation of the E90 people said it'll be larger, heavier, not as nimble but yet, the car is still selling and looking great nearly 6 years later.

+10000000000000000000000
Everyone says this about any new car that is coming to replace what they have. We all know overall it wil be a better car but most people will never admit it. What they have is the best anything else isnt quite as good. Look around e46 forums and they say the same thing about and e90 and e30 owners say the same about the e46. It just goes on and on and is the same attitude over and over again and its starting to just get annoying.

JackMac · 04-17-2010, 01:20 PM

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Do you think the F30/F32 will succeed and be better then the E90/E92's?

Is a poll really necessary? Of course it will succeed and be better. BMW isn't in the business of failure and making cars "worse".

ss134 · 04-17-2010, 02:04 PM

We can specualte all day but IMO the only things almost certain are:

1. It will be bigger
2. It weigh the same or heavier
3. Model for model it will be faster in a straight line and be more fuel efficient
4. It will cost the same or be slightly more expensive.
5. It will have a better interior.

Things not so certain:

1. Will BMW continue their recent trend of leaning more towards comfort/luxury in their new models at the expense of ultimate driving dynamics.

2. Will the new car be better with the 3G RFT than the E90 with current RFT (i have no doubt the F30 will use them)

3. I believe there will be much more technology available on the F30 such as HUD, adaptive dampers (like in the M3) but you will have to pay to play, those of us wanting a sporting drive as opposed to comfort will have to pony up for this technology - it will not be standard and may still come up short in the fun stakes compared to E9X.

Just my thoughts.

Marcumac · 04-17-2010, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ALPINE6SPD

+10000000000000000000000
Everyone says this about any new car that is coming to replace what they have. We all know overall it wil be a better car but most people will never admit it. What they have is the best anything else isnt quite as good. Look around e46 forums and they say the same thing about and e90 and e30 owners say the same about the e46. It just goes on and on and is the same attitude over and over again and its starting to just get annoying.

This.

Everyone is such a pessimist when it comes to this sort of thing.

View Poll Results: Do you think the F30/F32 will succeed and be better then the E90/E92's?
Yes	99	65.56%
No	52	34.44%
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MikeTerp Second Lieutenant 29 Rep 285 Posts Drives: 2016 F30/340 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Maryland iTrader: (0)	I don't know, but I do know that if BMW keeps adding length and weight to all their models, they will "whale out". The F10 is 5 inches and several hundred pounds heavier than my old E39. The F30 apparently will be bigger than the E90 (and heavier?). This in the face of increasing gas mileage requirements in the U.S. Don't tell us about turbo fours. BMWs are made to be driven and if you keep your foot in a turbo it will suck gas. Stop the pig out, BMW.
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Hi.Spec New Member 1 Rep 16 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SoCal iTrader: (0)	bmw is smart. this car will sell, no doubt. but will it be an enthusiasts car? i dunno. i think this is the real question.
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Overlord Private First Class 9 Rep 190 Posts Drives: 2007 335i Coupe Join Date: May 2009 Location: CA iTrader: (0)	At the rate BMW is going with continuing to increase the size of each series, the X5 will be H3 soon and the 7 will offer 3rd row seating. What are they going to do when the 1 series is the size of our current 3? New 0.5 series?
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kenni243 Second Lieutenant 8 Rep 286 Posts Drives: 335I Sedan - Black/Black Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Worcester iTrader: (0)	Do you see the current E90/92 out perform E46? Do you see the current E90/92 M3 out perform E46 M3? So the answer will be YES.
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carve Major 177 Rep 1,105 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: usa iTrader: (0)	The Euro pedestrian crash regs are going to force ever blunter front-ends, compromising styling in even worse ways than 5 mph bumpers did. CAFE requirements means the powerful engines will become an increasingly expensive option. It'll probably be bigger and heavier
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CarForHire Major 29 Rep 1,309 Posts Drives: Slow in the left lane. Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: NOVA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2007 E90 328i [0.00]	Their target market has changed. __________________ Race car driving is like sex...all men think they are good at it. - Jay Leno
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ss134 Brigadier General 230 Rep 3,899 Posts Drives: F80 M3 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Germany/UK iTrader: (1)	We can specualte all day but IMO the only things almost certain are: 1. It will be bigger 2. It weigh the same or heavier 3. Model for model it will be faster in a straight line and be more fuel efficient 4. It will cost the same or be slightly more expensive. 5. It will have a better interior. Things not so certain: 1. Will BMW continue their recent trend of leaning more towards comfort/luxury in their new models at the expense of ultimate driving dynamics. 2. Will the new car be better with the 3G RFT than the E90 with current RFT (i have no doubt the F30 will use them) 3. I believe there will be much more technology available on the F30 such as HUD, adaptive dampers (like in the M3) but you will have to pay to play, those of us wanting a sporting drive as opposed to comfort will have to pony up for this technology - it will not be standard and may still come up short in the fun stakes compared to E9X. Just my thoughts.
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