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I think a lot of it does come down to ignorance.like many other things in the automotive world or world in general.People have preconceived notions about what something is or isn't just because of what things were 30 yrs ago.Diesel and gasoline turbo engines seem 2 be 2 of the biggest things i see some of my older friends cringe about.If they'd just give it a try, they'd realize modern diesel engines are nothing like diesel engines from the early 80's or even early 90's
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Thanks to GM in the 1970s with their really bad diesel adaptation of V-6 and V-8 gasoline engines, everyone seems to equate diesels with smoke, smell, and soot. The first diesels from Europe didn't do much to dispel that, either. Until battery technology gets MUCH better, I'd rather have a diesel than a hybrid any day, let alone those pure-electric cars like the Nissan Leaf and such. Problem is, every time we find a way to get better fuel economy, the oil companies screw us over by raising the price of the fuel. Diesel now costs more than premium gasoline, even though it takes less refining and used to be really cheap. Of course, they blame it on the process required to make it "ultra-low sulfur". And then there's the urea fluid required to keep the exhaust clean. And the new high-tech diesels aren't friendly with bio-diesel...gee, I wonder if there's some oil-company influence involved with that?
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People in the states have different priorities and fuel efficiency is not really one of them esp when it comes to bmws. The 335 is their top selling 3 series while in Europe it's probably the 320d. In addition to this, for some bizarre reason diesel costs more than premium petrol in the states. In Canada it's fluctuates between costing a little more than regular petrol and costing a little bit less. Actually diesel cars in Canada are receiving quite a warm welcome nowadays.
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-Large markup for diesel vehicles in the US
-Diesel more expensive than premium gasoline in the US -Gasoline is still cheaper in the US than most of the developed world -Earlier diesel cars sold here were historically awful Think that about does it. |
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Not sure how one defines "3rd world country". But if Turkey is a 3rd world country, then many other European countries are too
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Fuel efficiency gets a lot of attention, but nobody is willing to give up all of their creature comforts, size, mass or power. And the 335i is not the top selling 3 in the US. Sales of the 328i outpace the 335i by orders of magnitude. |
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And now, that the 320i was introduced, we'll have a new king.
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With all due respect sire, you don't know what you're talking about. Turkey is a developing country. Check your facts.
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really? what are the numbers 335 vs 328 in the states?
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Guys second or third I dont know about that.... But Doctors are treated like shit,
our respect and income went upside down in last 5 years all professors from universities resign and goverment Doctors forced to work under the shittiest conditions our private contracts limited to near zero By the way 320i is cheaper from 320d here Another fact if you wanna have apps and satnav in TR you need to pay at least 8000$
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diesel (for me at least) only cost more than premium in the winter. In the summer it' smuch cheaper than premium, usually even cheaper than regular.
sticker price is higher for the car/SAV, but BMW has been running some pretty awesome ECO Credits that take care of most of that sting. |
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I used to dislike Diesel engined cars as they were noisy, not very fast and threw out really filthy smoke from their rear pipes.
And then I tried the 330d M sport. Nearly as quiet as the 335i when idling, as quiet on the move, far superior in gear acceleration and infinitely superior fuel consumption. The Diesel is the FASTER car especially in 330d guise. No doubt.
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For the question, if I would get the 330d instead of the 330i, I don't know, I have not tried the 330d. I have tried the 320d and it is a very good engine for a family car. It has plenty of torque and can even be a fun engine. Now, the 330i is rev-happy, and I like that. It is a true sport engine. When I tried the N20, it felt like a (good) diesel in many respects (lots of low down torque, can ride on the torque at 2k most of the day and be happy). Reformulate the question, would I get the 3x0d instead of the 328i, probably. Instead of the 330i, I don't think so - or not for the same purpose, at least. |
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