[KevRyd]

I'm not offend at all. I'm 100% happy with my choice of car. I reply to your post for the reason I noted, You keep trying to write history by pushing your opinions off a s fact when they are purely subjective. So as long as you keep pulling that bullshit I will continue to respond. I notice how you ignored the C&D post.

Kevin

Originally Posted by Kayani_1

LOL, coming from some one like you it makes no difference. As you had lost creditability with me a while back. I could care less that you are not happy with my opinions.

Like I told you earlier why don't you go enjoy your F30 335i purchase and don't get offended every time some one does not find it all that you think it is and more. If you are happy good for you.

I do not find it all that and more so you do not have to constantly feel like you have to reply to every post of mine

[Kayani_1]

Good to hear you are 100% happy. Now act like it because you clearly come off as some one who has gotten seriously offended every time some one says some thing about a F30 335i.

I am not trying to pass anything of to you. I am just stating my beliefs if you do not find it desire able then that is fine with me.

As for C&D post there is nothing that important there to respond to. They claim it has opaque feed back that I have been saying all along.

Now take a deep breath, relax and enjoy your F30 335i.

Originally Posted by KevRyd

I'm not offend at all. I'm 100% happy with my choice of car. I reply to your post for the reason I noted, You keep trying to write history by pushing your opinions off a s fact when they are purely subjective. So as long as you keep pulling that bullshit I will continue to respond. I notice how you ignored the C&D post.

Kevin

[KevRyd]

And the part about capabilities and heft? do you choose to ignore the most important parts?

I'm not offended as I have stated already, When presented with quantifiable information I have found this post to be very compelling.

I don't get paid to race or track cars, so the traps, and splits in hundredths of a second mean nothing to me. I have owned and driven some nice cars in my time and the F30m 335i is just one of them.

Kevin

Originally Posted by Kayani_1

Good to hear you are 100% happy. Now act like it because you clearly come off as some one who has gotten seriously offended every time some one says some thing about a F30 335i.

I am not trying to pass anything of to you. I am just stating my beliefs if you do not find it desire able then that is fine with me.

As for C&D post there is nothing that important there to respond to. They claim it has opaque feed back that I have been saying all along.

Now take a deep breath, relax and enjoy your F30 335i.

[elistan]

Originally Posted by Longwong

JV you answered my questions. You spend way to much online defending your car online. JV I am not on here writing paging writing about my m3. If you think its overpriced and not a worthy car I could care less. The fact you write books upon books defending a 328 doesn't seem a bit odd to you ?

Ill go enjoy my m3 and enjoy your entry-level luxury sedan and let's call it a day.

E90 m-sport packaged car is just night and day difference. This was a plain non-sport e90 and it still won the battle as a drivers car. What is there left to argue. Put an is or m sport e9x 328 or 335 and who in their right mind would say the f30 is a better drivers car?

Oh yes-JV but besides him who?

Did you notice that immediately after you said "let's call it a day," you did exactly NOT that?

[ATX78703]

what's painfully obvious in that first picture is that the f30 looks infinitely better than the pre-lci e90. like a different class of car really. the driving behavior, of course, is a different issue.

[elistan]

Originally Posted by Kayani_1

I would say you are justified in trying to assume I would have purchase based blinders. But you must not have known me over the years. I was one of the biggest defenders of F30 before I drove it though.

I am not against the 4 cylinder engines or turbo so that coming to the full circle part does not apply to me. I have made that point many times to folks in past defending BMW's move to 4 cylinder. I also have owned plenty of 4 cylinders and some real high performance versions and my favorite one Suzuki GSXR-1000cc that revs sky high and sounds like a fighter jet. So once again you are preaching to some one who can fully appreciate a good 4 cylinder.

The point that I am making and is being lost at you is that the BMW 4 cylinder lacks a bit of refinement. I am surprised that with your vast knowledge of 4 cylinders you were not able to tell the difference between the smoothness of delivery and noise harshness of NA inline-6 vs turbo inline-4.

Like I said if you had spend driving BMW inline-6 variants back to back with the BMW 4 cylinder turbo variants for extended periods of time then you would definitely understand what I am saying. IMHO, a test drive here and there on one example does not make you an expert.

So when you bring up your experience of 4 cylinders. It is not foreign to me as I have had plenty in that respect. However, we both know comparing similar engines even across manufacturers are a huge difference. It does not do justice as they behave and respond quiet differently.

In this regards BMW still has a lot more to do with refining the 4 cylinder turbo. It is a bit harsh, unrefined, power delivery not as smooth and does not produce desired sounds.

I guess to be fair at the the end I guess my purchase based blinders allow me to see this and your purchase based blinders do not allow you to see it. This is a point where we will have to agree to disagree

I'm not trying to say the N20 has less vibration than the N52 or is as smooth or whatever. I'm saying I LIKE the N20. You said "Anyone who can't tell the difference between the two in favor of E90 for better driving dynamics and fun to drive ratio is wearing a bit of purchase based bias blinders." That is wrong. I own an F30 because I like the F30 more than the E90. I don't like the F30 more than the E90 because I own an F30.

You're used to what you're used to, and you like what you like. I'm used to what I'm used to, and I like what I like. We're both equally valid to believe as we do. But to say that your preference is objective truth, and different preferences are the result of bias, is incorrect.

[300hp]

F30 envy

I think we are starting to see the last kicks of a dying horse. The E90/2 posts are becoming repetitive. Nothing new seems to be coming out.

If I wanted something from history I would get an E30

[tuned2ride]

I am sure that the F30s will find all the homes they need.

For unsatisfied E46/E90 owners, just be a little more patient.

[300hp]

Originally Posted by tuned2ride

I am sure that the F30s will find all the homes they need.

For unsatisfied E46/E90 owners, just be a little more patient.

Exactly and parked next to that I will be EStoril blue with envy

[drob23]

Originally Posted by ATX78703

what's painfully obvious in that first picture is that the f30 looks infinitely better than the pre-lci e90. like a different class of car really. the driving behavior, of course, is a different issue.

I agree that the E90 is pretty fugly, especially the portions of the pre-LCI...but the E92 is sex on wheels, I prefer the lines to the F32. Probably a byproduct of drooling over the e92 M3.

[300hp]

Originally Posted by drob23

I agree that the E90 is pretty fugly, especially the portions of the pre-LCI...but the E92 is sex on wheels, I prefer the lines to the F32. Probably a byproduct of drooling over the e92 M3.

Yeah E92 M3 is pure sex on wheels

[imyopusha]

Originally Posted by 300hp

F30 envy

I think we are starting to see the last kicks of a dying horse. The E90/2 posts are becoming repetitive. Nothing new seems to be coming out.

If I wanted something from history I would get an E30

^ ^ ^ This. People will always complain about steering "feeling". The fact of the matter is that the E90 pulled no better on the skidpad than the F30. If people want to "feel" the road with an abundance of feedback, then buy a Ford Model T. There was plenty of feedback in that car. you'll feel every piece of gravel in your hands while laboring to turn the steering wheel. The F30 335i is light years ahead of the E90.

BTW, I had a 328 F30 loaner the other day and the ticking from the N20 drove me CRAZY. Also, I hated the drone of the engine. I don't see how someone could live with it. It sounded like this Dodge Avenger rental I had last year. Maybe it is just I who gets annoyed with it.

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by imyopusha

BTW, I had a 328 F30 loaner the other day and the ticking from the N20 drove me CRAZY. Also, I hated the drone of the engine. I don't see how someone could live with it. It sounded like this Dodge Avenger rental I had last year. Maybe it is just I who gets annoyed with it.

Are you hearing ticking with the windows up?

I dunno, maybe I have some special N20. It makes ticking when I am outside the car, I hear virtually nothing when driving. That is the problem to me, the ABSENCE of sound.

[drob23]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

Are you hearing ticking with the windows up?

I dunno, maybe I have some special N20. It makes ticking when I am outside the car, I hear virtually nothing when driving. That is the problem to me, the ABSENCE of sound.

Ticking is usually the sound of the injectors for a DI engine. I hear the "click click click" sound only after popping the hood.

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by drob23

Ticking is usually the sound of the injectors for a DI engine. I hear the "click click click" sound only after popping the hood.

It is, I heard it on my 2.0TSI.

But on the N20, I only hear it when I start the car in the garage on cold start up or I am outside the car.

The idea that a person is able to hear a ticking while driving, just does not happen. It did not happen with the TSI, does not happen with the N20. I happen to have good hearing. So what is it then?

[topcat87]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

Are you hearing ticking with the windows up?

I dunno, maybe I have some special N20. It makes ticking when I am outside the car, I hear virtually nothing when driving. That is the problem to me, the ABSENCE of sound.

you need a dp, the ticking is insanely loud.
my car was virtually silent brand new... until i started modding it

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by topcat87

you need a dp, the ticking is insanely loud.
my car was virtually silent brand new... until i started modding it

Well, the downpipe size and construction I am sure just acts like a woofer/amplifier lol.

But we are talking about people commenting on having LOANERS, I don't think they have exhausts and downpipes on 'em

[Phaeron]

Originally Posted by ramuman

Watching the driver accidentally hit the wipers (and then flail for a few seconds to turn it off) on a flying lap lends very little credibility to that time.

I sure hope the F32 with the side vents reduces wheel arch turbulence and makes the 3 series a 3 again. You know, because there were never complaints when the E46 and E9xs came out. That way, we can refocus more time on our jobs and make sure we make the numbers to be able to afford a 3k exhaust for a car that costs about as much as the median household income in the US.

You know that C&D, R&T, Edmunds and MT do not employ professional drivers for their reviews. MT has used two professional drivers but very sparingly. Most of the time the people who are posting those track times and findings are no more qualified then most of the people on this forum.

I mean in one lighting lap C&D had boasted one of their editors had done some SCCA/NASA Autocrosses as if that was something to boast. Oh man... He did something that anyone and their mom can do as long as they have a crash helmet and can pay the entry fee....

The only car reviewers that actually puts a professional driver through their cars are 5th gear and Topgear. So in reality those are the only publication that can boast that they KNOW what the limits of the cars are. The other thing that many people should watch is Sabine Schmitz race with Tiff when both were reviewing the M6 vs the Porsche 911. She states that the M6 like ALL BMWs have weak brakes. That means a lot from a woman who has driven more BMWs in a year probably our total family line will.

This should have raised eyebrows because only with the NEWEST M5 and M6 are the big 3 complaining about the brakes. What this means is either they don't push the cars when they track them or do not have they do not have skilled drivers to do so.

[Alpine F31]

Sabine Schmitz can drive!

[300hp]

Originally Posted by Phaeron

You know that C&D, R&T, Edmunds and MT do not employ professional drivers for their reviews. MT has used two professional drivers but very sparingly. Most of the time the people who are posting those track times and findings are no more qualified then most of the people on this forum.

I mean in one lighting lap C&D had boasted one of their editors had done some SCCA/NASA Autocrosses as if that was something to boast. Oh man... He did something that anyone and their mom can do as long as they have a crash helmet and can pay the entry fee....

The only car reviewers that actually puts a professional driver through their cars are 5th gear and Topgear. So in reality those are the only publication that can boast that they KNOW what the limits of the cars are. The other thing that many people should watch is Sabine Schmitz race with Tiff when both were reviewing the M6 vs the Porsche 911. She states that the M6 like ALL BMWs have weak brakes. That means a lot from a woman who has driven more BMWs in a year probably our total family line will.

This should have raised eyebrows because only with the NEWEST M5 and M6 are the big 3 complaining about the brakes. What this means is either they don't push the cars when they track them or do not have they do not have skilled drivers to do so.

+1, it interests me when people complain about what happens at the limits when most probably don't know what those limits are.

MT also use Randy (sparingly) for some of their reviews and I find those reviews enlightening. His review of the new Dodge Viper was hilarious.

If I am not mistaken Randy has the best lap time of a production vehicle at Laguna Seca, in a ZR1

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by Phaeron

You know that C&D, R&T, Edmunds and MT do not employ professional drivers for their reviews. MT has used two professional drivers but very sparingly. Most of the time the people who are posting those track times and findings are no more qualified then most of the people on this forum.

I mean in one lighting lap C&D had boasted one of their editors had done some SCCA/NASA Autocrosses as if that was something to boast. Oh man... He did something that anyone and their mom can do as long as they have a crash helmet and can pay the entry fee....

The only car reviewers that actually puts a professional driver through their cars are 5th gear and Topgear. So in reality those are the only publication that can boast that they KNOW what the limits of the cars are. The other thing that many people should watch is Sabine Schmitz race with Tiff when both were reviewing the M6 vs the Porsche 911. She states that the M6 like ALL BMWs have weak brakes. That means a lot from a woman who has driven more BMWs in a year probably our total family line will.

This should have raised eyebrows because only with the NEWEST M5 and M6 are the big 3 complaining about the brakes. What this means is either they don't push the cars when they track them or do not have they do not have skilled drivers to do so.

There is still a fair bit of variety in the capabilities from writer to writer.

Many of these guys have been writing for years and get invited to plenty of track events which has a professional driver in their ear giving them pointers.

[tony20009]

Originally Posted by Phaeron

You know that C&D, R&T, Edmunds and MT do not employ professional drivers for their reviews. MT has used two professional drivers but very sparingly. Most of the time the people who are posting those track times and findings are no more qualified then most of the people on this forum.

I mean in one lighting lap C&D had boasted one of their editors had done some SCCA/NASA Autocrosses as if that was something to boast. Oh man... He did something that anyone and their mom can do as long as they have a crash helmet and can pay the entry fee....

The only car reviewers that actually puts a professional driver through their cars are 5th gear and Topgear. So in reality those are the only publication that can boast that they KNOW what the limits of the cars are. The other thing that many people should watch is Sabine Schmitz race with Tiff when both were reviewing the M6 vs the Porsche 911. She states that the M6 like ALL BMWs have weak brakes. That means a lot from a woman who has driven more BMWs in a year probably our total family line will.

This should have raised eyebrows because only with the NEWEST M5 and M6 are the big 3 complaining about the brakes. What this means is either they don't push the cars when they track them or do not have they do not have skilled drivers to do so.

At one point, I thought you credible. I don't think so any longer.

F1 drivers aren't the only people in the world who can adequately drive a car and report on it to the general public, and folks having as much or more skill than the folks at those magazines, don't need the magazine's opinions for they are well equipped to decide for themselves. Even people like me, with no particular driving skills, can decide themselves.

The magazines are there. They are nice to read. They are mildly entertaining, but they hold no sway with me, or any other intelligent buyer. I may consider a car because they like it, but what I choose to buy will be determined by my opinion based on my driving the car, regardless of whether some magazine editor likes it or not.


Also, given that F1 drivers are among the most highly paid, if not the highest, folks in professional sports, why would any of them be on the writing and editorial staff at a car magazine? Even Stig doesn't pull editorial duty on Top Gear; he drives and he's done.