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      03-02-2016, 07:22 AM   #89
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This is PPK inside...and the result is obtained which a very, very accurate bench.
Power is lower in 4th gear, perhaps a little, little higher with 6/7/8, because of the variable power according to gears with this kit, but we cancel out this factor with the bench operator in applying sufficient strenght on rolls adjustement.

So this is the real power
Isn't the flywheel power shown on the graph essentially a calculated derivation of ultimately what is measured, which is power at the wheels? So isn't the 'true' figure what would have been recorded at the wheels, and then the bench will be assuming x% drivetrain loss which may be slightly too low a %? Or am I misunderstanding essentially how a dyno works?
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A Muse's figures don't surprise me at all. I've had the PPK on my 330d for a few weeks now and the differences I've noticed are not dramatic - smoother power delivery in Comfort when the engine has reached temperature and a sense that the car is quicker in Sport (gear changes feel very rapid)

I don't regret buying it but certainly wouldn't have bought it for the change in Comfort alone as its too subtle. So I'm glad there's a Sport option on the auto box!
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      03-02-2016, 12:21 PM   #91
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The PPK one has one extra row in it, but is physically the same letterbox size. If I lined up two cars, one with PPK the other without, you would not notice the difference without kneeling down to count the rows.
Not quite as powerful as the 335D engine then, but close.
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      03-03-2016, 05:24 PM   #92
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Isn't the flywheel power shown on the graph essentially a calculated derivation of ultimately what is measured, which is power at the wheels? So isn't the 'true' figure what would have been recorded at the wheels, and then the bench will be assuming x% drivetrain loss which may be slightly too low a %? Or am I misunderstanding essentially how a dyno works?
Hello,

i expect that my poor english level is enough to have a good understanding of your message.
This bench records the transmission's losses during deceleration for each véhicule with great accuracy, for instance it suits for ATV to measure some 0.5 hp difference.

After that this loss is added up with wheels result to give the final curve

Here is another bench result with PPK in France, before and after a new chiptuning, same result:
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      03-04-2016, 01:09 AM   #93
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A Muse,

If I read that correctly, the graph above is a PPK equiped car that has had further non-OE mapping done on top to bring power from 288 > 334ps?
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      03-04-2016, 02:44 AM   #94
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I didn't think the 330d turbo was rated for that much power, asking for trouble? Pretty sure Nisfan said its only rated to around 310bhp......
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      03-04-2016, 07:25 AM   #95
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1300 miles into my new 330D and I want one now. Darn you all and your tempting information! :-)

I need a stealth plan... my wife already thinks my cars too fast. Glad theres no visible proof.....

Found this

http://www.matlawrence.com/images/bmw/powerkit.pdf

Is the info still relevant or has any data changed?
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      03-04-2016, 08:09 AM   #96
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1300 miles into my new 330D and I want one now. Darn you all and your tempting information! :-)

I need a stealth plan... my wife already thinks my cars too fast. Glad theres no visible proof.....

Found this

http://www.matlawrence.com/images/bmw/powerkit.pdf

Is the info still relevant or has any data changed?
I believe this is still current. The 330d engine has remained the same since the F30/31 was launched, as has this PPK since it was launched
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A Muse,

If I read that correctly, the graph above is a PPK equiped car that has had further non-OE mapping done on top to bring power from 288 > 334ps?
Exactly, and the reason why it produces this power is the larger air cooler.
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If I read that correctly, the graph above is a PPK equiped car that has had further non-OE mapping done on top to bring power from 288 > 334ps?
Exactly, and the reason why it produces this power is the larger air cooler.
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Ok so I finally got my PPK fitted today. I bought the kit from Harry Fairbrurn Giffnock in Scotland who currently have a offer on for £899 incl vat and posting. I however got it for £810 which is a great price.
My local dealer In P.Boro fitted it for £150 but kept it over night as there were download problems on a busy server to Germany.
Anyway I have to agree with what others have said that the power is alot more instant and smoother.
In Sport it's just dam right aggressive. Really does push you in to the seat alot more.
Only had a short drive so far but feels alot better. The M sport dials now show 640 nm
Pretty pleased overall.
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£1,350 sounds like a bargain. If the MPPK for the 340i only cost that much, I'd be ordering it now! Glad you're enjoying the extra fun factor
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      03-18-2016, 01:33 PM   #101
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£1,350 sounds like a bargain. If the MPPK for the 340i only cost that much, I'd be ordering it now! Glad you're enjoying the extra fun factor
Alot less than that if you order from HF as above post.
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      03-18-2016, 05:28 PM   #102
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Ok so I finally got my PPK fitted today. I bought the kit from Harry Fairbrurn Giffnock in Scotland who currently have a offer on for £899 incl vat and posting. I however got it for £810 which is a great price.
My local dealer In P.Boro fitted it for £150 but kept it over night as there were download problems on a busy server to Germany.
Anyway I have to agree with what others have said that the power is alot more instant and smoother.
In Sport it's just dam right aggressive. Really does push you in to the seat alot more.
Only had a short drive so far but feels alot better. The M sport dials now show 640 nm
Pretty pleased overall.
Glad you like it so far mate welcome to the club
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      03-19-2016, 04:08 AM   #103
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Ok so I finally got my PPK fitted today. I bought the kit from Harry Fairbrurn Giffnock in Scotland who currently have a offer on for £899 incl vat and posting. I however got it for £810 which is a great price.
My local dealer In P.Boro fitted it for £150 but kept it over night as there were download problems on a busy server to Germany.
Anyway I have to agree with what others have said that the power is alot more instant and smoother.
In Sport it's just dam right aggressive. Really does push you in to the seat alot more.
Only had a short drive so far but feels alot better. The M sport dials now show 640 nm
Pretty pleased overall.
Welcome to the club, as SkyJawa says

That's a damn good price you got there. I paid £1200 all in incl VAT and thought I'd done well

I've done around 1500 miles since my MPPK was fitted. At first I was a bit under-whelmed but am growing to appreciate the subtle differences, and now in normal as well, where at first it was barely noticeable but now there is an instant and distinct surge on gear changes

Anyone who says it's changes the car completely is talking out of their butt dyno. It's subtle as I've said before, making the power delivery that much more urgent and instantaneous

Not sure if I'd spend the money again, knowing what I know now, as the engine was bloody good to start with
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Ok so I finally got my PPK fitted today. I bought the kit from Harry Fairbrurn Giffnock in Scotland who currently have a offer on for £899 incl vat and posting. I however got it for £810 which is a great price.
My local dealer In P.Boro fitted it for £150 but kept it over night as there were download problems on a busy server to Germany.
Anyway I have to agree with what others have said that the power is alot more instant and smoother.
In Sport it's just dam right aggressive. Really does push you in to the seat alot more.
Only had a short drive so far but feels alot better. The M sport dials now show 640 nm
Pretty pleased overall.
Glad you like it.

I was given a 430d this week whilst mine has some work done on it, and yes I can definitely tell there is no PPK on this 430......flat.
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Welcome to the club, as SkyJawa says

That's a damn good price you got there. I paid £1200 all in incl VAT and thought I'd done well

I've done around 1500 miles since my MPPK was fitted. At first I was a bit under-whelmed but am growing to appreciate the subtle differences, and now in normal as well, where at first it was barely noticeable but now there is an instant and distinct surge on gear changes

Anyone who says it's changes the car completely is talking out of their butt dyno. It's subtle as I've said before, making the power delivery that much more urgent and instantaneous

Not sure if I'd spend the money again, knowing what I know now, as the engine was bloody good to start with
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Yes was a great price to good to say No really.
HF Giffnock have a few offers in there website at the moment and they got it sent with in a wk from Germany.
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Glad you like it so far mate welcome to the club
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Have been thinking about it for a while and a big thank you to your self and others such as NISFAN, Watsey etc who have provided info and helped me decide.
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One thing I seem to have notice from reading up alot is people's opinions seem to differ on the PPK.
Not sure if each one is ever so slightly different or people's perspective is etc. Or a bit of both may be?

Not driven my one much since yesterday but I noticed the difference in comfort straight away. Traction control light alot easier to light up that's for sure. Plus much more shove in to the seat as iv said before.
I go to Germany a few times a yr so wil be able to see the full range across the power band soon. As before and after review.

Have a week long trip in June also planned down to the Bavarian Alps and Berchtesgaden. Did the same trip last year in a new Passat Biturbo 240 bhp so will be a intresting comparison.

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This might be a stupid question, but I've seen a new unused PPK ECU come up for sale and I wanted to understand if this can be installed and tuned (by BMW or an indy) without the upgraded cooler? Would you expect similar power figures without larger cooler or is it mandatory that its installed with the ECU?
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This might be a stupid question, but I've seen a new unused PPK ECU come up for sale and I wanted to understand if this can be installed and tuned (by BMW or an indy) without the upgraded cooler? Would you expect similar power figures without larger cooler or is it mandatory that its installed with the ECU?
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Pretty sure a bmw dealer won't do that for you.
Also when you order the kit from bmw they are for each cars vin.
Data and coding is then unloaded from bmw germany when they install it which can take all day depending on how busy the server is.

My local bmw dealer wanted to see the invoice from bmw or r they would not touch it.
Main dealer won't touch a ebay job and I'm pretty sure a indy can't do it due to the data link.

Happy to be corrected however if some one knows more?
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Pretty sure a bmw dealer won't do that for you.
Also when you order the kit from bmw they are for each cars vin.
Data and coding is then unloaded from bmw germany when they install it which can take all day depending on how busy the server is.

My local bmw dealer wanted to see the invoice from bmw or r they would not touch it.
Main dealer won't touch a ebay job and I'm pretty sure a indy can't do it due to the data link.

Happy to be corrected however if some one knows more?
OK cool, that answers that one then!
Someone was selling an new unused PPK ECU on ebay and when questioned he claimed BMW lost his original ECU during the PPK upgrade so gave him an extra PPK ECU and has no use for it...
If you're saying BMW wont touch it and an Indy will not be able to do anything with it, its a pretty useless bit of kit he's trying to flog
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