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And yes, the Motor Trend comparison does show the F10 being edged out by the GS, but that is just one comparison. Neither Road & Track or Car & Driver have done their comparisons yet so I wouldn't call the subjective musings of one auto journalist a "Trouncing" |
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01-27-2013, 09:55 PM | #134 |
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I agree, the 4 series is very nice looking, I just wish they would leave the steering alone, no ASS, and just the normal driving experience, no eco pro or comfort modes
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01-28-2013, 11:01 AM | #135 |
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I read a first drive of the new IS350 F-Sport and it wasnt very flattering. Sounds like its strait line performance will be similar to a 328i but cost and fuel economy similar to a 335i. They were not really impressed with the handling either. They thought the grill looked stupid also, but the interior was praised.
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01-28-2013, 12:40 PM | #136 |
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I got to see the new IS at the auto show in Houston this past weekend and....I think it looks a bit crazy! Crazy good that is. They definitely took a chance with the design and it may not have the "classic" appeal that the e46 had (which the e90 lost IMO), but it looked good to my eyes. The car was on a revolving platform, so I couldn't sit inside it and comment on the interior. But the exterior is so bold that it most are going to love it or hate it, nothing in between. I believe the former, especially if it drives well.
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01-28-2013, 12:56 PM | #137 | |
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I agree with you that this Lexus isn't going to be pushing the 335 off the cliff anytime soon. I think the Infiniti Q50 is a better styling job than the Lexus but it probably won't drive any better than the outgoing G37. |
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01-29-2013, 10:45 AM | #139 | |
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I think everyone has been waiting since 2006 for the evolution of the original IS 300 design. Was the best design they had and the closest they have ever come to BMW driving dynamics..They jumped the shark in 2006 and never looked back... |
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01-29-2013, 11:19 AM | #140 |
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I don't know the driving dynamics of the 1st gen IS300 but the ricer tail lights killed it for me.
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01-29-2013, 11:29 AM | #141 | |
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The IS was called the Altezza in Japan, so all those lights were called Altezzas, the ones you find on Civics.
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And the difference is...?? Those tail lights became popular way before the IS300 had them.
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01-29-2013, 05:06 PM | #143 |
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That's just it. It was the IS/Altezza that made them popular, not the other way around.
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01-30-2013, 08:06 AM | #144 | |
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I did not mind the lights on the IS300, but on mustangs/accords/bmw's etc just looked Kinda like seeing angel eyes on non bmw's |
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Very few people know that..The Altezza came out in 1998..That same year it was car of the year in Japan. After the exposure, the lights were copied for the JDM market Hondas which were present in the US (accord/civic/preludes) etc So the we had 3 years of that trend here with no IS 300 until late 2000/early 2001. By then it was a plague of ricers of all kind. Even ricer's had no clue why they were called "Altezza's"...lol
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01-30-2013, 05:21 PM | #146 | |
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But it's not the blame for the IS lol.
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Fun to drive would mean it needs turbo and 6mt. At least a real manual transmission. I was interested in the ISF when it first came out, but was bummed it didnt come in manual.
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Nice that the VW R8 can go faster around a track than any BMW and VW's RS5 can go around the track faster than your BMW.
Also nice that Lexus also makes a faster car than any BMW in the LFA. Until BMW makes a production car faster than Audi/VW and Toyota/Lexus than maybe some of you should just think before you spout out crap. |
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I think Willie from the "Swamp People" show on History Channel said it best (regarding alligator hunting):
"If you think you can come in here and do this yourself...well, good luck to ya!" The same applies to building the "ultimate driving machine"...
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It's a pretty weak argument for this thread.
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Tell me which part of this is not true? It doesn't matter that it is $400k, and it doesn't have the pedigree of Ferrari, or that they lose money on the car, the point was to point out to some fanboys that Lexus makes a faster car than BMW that is in production. So before some of these guys say BMW is a BMW and a Lexus is a Toyota they shouldn't overlook this FACT. Don't say that BMW can make a faster car than the LFA or R8 because the fact is they haven't made one that is a production car. Also BMW has chosen Toyota to make a sport car with them for a reason. |
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04-03-2013, 04:40 PM | #153 | |
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I am sorry, but the LFA does little for Lexus. The IS-F is a better story as it gave 85-90% percent of the E90 M3 experience. That to me is more compelling and relevant. Lexus' attempt at a hyper car is a flawed one and outclassed by it's competition. BMW does not have a hyper car offering, that does not mean it fails in anyway just because Lexus does. Some of Lexus products really are Toyotas, that's not an opinion. The Es350 is now largely an Avalon, the CT is a fair bit based on Prius bones, the LX SUV is a re-grilled Landcruiser. Now saying ALL Lexus' are Toyotas, that is simply an incorrect statement.
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Simply said BMW is a BMW where a Lexus is a fancy Toyota. They can try but never will come close to the bench mark of the 3 series.
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