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Each PSI of boost increase on the N20 is worth around 8-10whp. So plan accordingly. That means S1 at default 3psi gives 24-30whp, 4psi 32-40whp. Their S2 tune runs as much as 10psi over stock in parts of the power band. Mike |
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It's not about numbers, graphs and dynos. It's what my butt says. I'm not paying for an Excel sheet full of numbers, I'm paying for the extra rush. If I'll get it - hurrraaaay! If not, no biggie.
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My thinking is stage 1 was a gateway drug. Stage 2 is where things will get interesting.
Stage 1 was not as exciting for me as my APR tune on my last VAG product, but the APR tune was more $$$ and had a lot of neat options. Stage 2 is much more in line with the features and gains that came with my APR tune. By the time stage 2 is out I plan on having my production catback on and hoping to crack 280-285whp on 93 octane. From there, I hope to find a reasonable downpipe solution that includes a race-cat. My goal from day one was 300whp on pump gas.
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Thing is, I do already with BMS Stage 1. Quite a substantial difference - improvement.
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I don't see the difference?
Some stage 2 tunes require hardware such as downpipes and so that would not be a fair comparison. This one does not. So you have the BMS stage 1 for $389 that had basic function and the AFE for about $500, also basic. BMS stage 2 requires no additional hardware and can be run on a variety of fuels including 91 and will cost $500-600. So I think it's pretty apples to apples, even more so than BMS stage 1 vs AFE.
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Comfort feels much closer to the car did in Sport and Sport now feels like an N55.
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One is basic and two is more aggressive. Obviously the aggressive tune will put down more power. if you want to compare tunes you should compare the same stages. like cobb stage 1 vs jb3. If its cobb stage 1 vs jb4 obviously the jb4 would win. apples vs oranges. |
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04-03-2013, 10:00 AM | #144 | |
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Coming from tunings 300ZX's, Supras, Saabs etc. One tuners stage 1, stage 2, 4 can be completely different. Some had different mashups of hardware, some were more timid than others. Stage 2 BMS is being tested on 91, as that is the readily available fuel to the tuner in Cali. It requires no hardware. Its closer in price to the AFE. I don't know how you can qualify the stage 2 as aggressive as we don't know the details of the 3 iterations(stage 1-2 BMS and AFE). So I see nothing wrong by comparing tune to tune if hardware is the same, fuel is the same, and price is that close. Pretty damn apples to apples. I don't see a point in getting hung up in what one calls a stage 1 vs the others 2. AFE, for all we know, wanted to get in and out with one tune that makes a lot of people happy with no interest in further developing other stages. So it might be more aggressive than BMS stage 1 who had planned other stages all along. Does that mean AFE is really a stage 1.5? Just kidding.
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Reading all the BMS posts I could find, you are also the only one that reports the huge increases in power, like the statement above. Other reviewers here have said repeatedly that the tune is mild, is not a 4.9s tune in any case, and our lil' 2.0l doesn't transform overnight into a 3.0l. Even our Russian friend couldn't go lower than 5.3s with a ton of other mods. That being said, I'm taking all the advertising with a huge grain of salt (around 4 pounds) and I can't wait for Stage 2
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"Reading all the BMS posts I could find, you are also the only one that reports the huge increases in power, like the statement above." Please show me where I state the gains are huge. I state clearly that coming from my APR tune on my most recent car, the gain is not as noticeable. I am quite impartial. I am only happy with stage 1 in terms of bang for the buck. I paid $300 for what is likely 25-35whp. I have never said that is a huge increase in power. It is a good increase for the money. I am much more interested in stage 2. Just to make sure, I am going to check on previous postings. Like this, this is from the day I installed it: Quote:
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I actually wanted to check myself and make sure I was not going around and mis-stating my results.
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You lost me on that one.
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You download the software and make sure you have the $35 cable. Make sure its used only with 93 in the tank. You just change the 3.00 to 4.00 and MAKE SURE YOU HIT save. I hit enter and drove around for a day thinking I felt no difference. I hooked it back up, saw it was still at 3.00 and hit save instead. 7-8whp, not a big difference. But if you have a tuned butt-dyno, you can detect it.
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After watching New "tuners" grenade new engines or make undrivable tunes, I recommend going with a tuner who cares about safety over peak numbers. BMS, Cobb, PROcede, and Hartge have proven themselves so I lean to these companies. I am sure AFE makes great exhaust and intakes but making a tune is a different world.
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