[SLOWER]

Originally Posted by NightWriter

371 at the crank: http://www.tflcar.com/2016/02/2016-b...arison-review/

Has anyone been able to confirm that finding? As much as I want it to be true that's a big number.

[soultraveler00]

Originally Posted by SLOWER

Has anyone been able to confirm that finding? As much as I want it to be true that's a big number.

Yes lots of dynos have proven this. I'm thinking with the power kit we will be close to 400hp

[jmg]

Originally Posted by SLOWER

Has anyone been able to confirm that finding? As much as I want it to be true that's a big number.

331 to the WHEELS?:
http://burgertuning.com/B58_JB4_bmw_...nce_tuner.html

[Pauleebe]

I'm surprised the 340 has been out for nearly a year, and people haven't realized the power the B58 puts to the pavement? The N55 was putting 300 to the ground and so that means closer to 330 at the crank. Surely BMW wasn't going to release the B58 with incremental improvements over the N55.

Really interested to see how the 330 with the B48 compares, since BMW is marketing the 330 as only having about ~10HP more .. likely another understatement.

[bri1042]

Originally Posted by NightWriter

371 at the crank: http://www.tflcar.com/2016/02/2016-b...arison-review/

Look at the cars.com specs quoted on that review (and the cars.com site). How the heck does cars.com get 0-60 times that are so much higher than any other review and worse than many folk have manged themselves at the track? It looks like they mixed up the models and drove a 320 instead of a 328 and a 328 instead of a 340.

Not sure who tflcar is, but they should stop looking at cars.com.

[lens]

Originally Posted by bri1042

Look at the cars.com specs quoted on that review (and the cars.com site). How the heck does cars.com get 0-60 times that are so much higher than any other review and worse than many folk have manged themselves at the track? It looks like they mixed up the models and drove a 320 instead of a 328 and a 328 instead of a 340.

Not sure who tflcar is, but they should stop looking at cars.com.

Yeah, the 1/4 mile isn't accurate on that site either.

The 340i should be running 13-13.3 secs, I managed to get a time of 13.2-13.3 with the MPPK 335xi, and 12.6 with FBO minus intercooler with stock wheels.

[Blubaron79]

Originally Posted by autopal

This comparison should also include the C450 AMG Sport. I've just ordered a C450, my first Benz, after driving BMWs for the past 7 years. All of these cars are so close in power and handling, any difference won't be noticed by the average driver. The interior of the Benz, though, is what blows me away. BMW's interior design, particular the center stack, is very stale, and it didn't help that the leather dashboard was not available, at least here in Canada

Did the ipad fall off your dash yet?

[Eriphill]

Originally Posted by Blubaron79

Did the ipad fall off your dash yet?

[Minkia]

Originally Posted by Blubaron79

Did the ipad fall off your dash yet?

if you think your 3 has a better interior than the c-class, you nuthuggin.

[hollandog]

Originally Posted by Minkia

if you think your 3 has a better interior than the c-class, you nuthuggin.

The C might have better fit, finish & material. I fail to see the big rave about it's interior. It's nice but not THAT nice. Design is subjective.

Overall it looks like a soft luxury sedan.
I prefer the F30 Msport's more sporty look and feel.

I'll take the 17 S4 over the C anyday of the week if 3 is not an option.

[Blubaron79]

Originally Posted by Minkia

if you think your 3 has a better interior than the c-class, you nuthuggin.

I can duct tape yours back on if it fell off.

[C5 FOR]

It's horses for courses. Some of us like the bland Audi and others like the bland 3 (in whatever form). So, from my perspective it's all rather bland.

Where for god sake is anything that's actually individual? Something that stands out, something that.......makes me stop and utter the words, YOU are gorgeous!!!!

If anyone says have you seen the M4 or its GTS counterpart, I will send the SAS to get you. They are fucking ugly.

My point being, actually, I'm not sure what my point is.

Oh yes, I remember, volume sales!!! Ford and Vauxhall are good at it, BMW aren't far behind. Well yes,they are but, you get my point.

They will continue to produce Focus rs's that are actually quite good, for decent money.

But my point is, when does the volume sales v individuality meet??

REAL individuality!

[auf Deutsch]

Originally Posted by C5 FOR

It's horses for courses. Some of us like the bland Audi and others like the bland 3 (in whatever form). So, from my perspective it's all rather bland.

Where for god sake is anything that's actually individual? Something that stands out, something that.......makes me stop and utter the words, YOU are gorgeous!!!!

If anyone says have you seen the M4 or its GTS counterpart, I will send the SAS to get you. They are fucking ugly.

My point being, actually, I'm not sure what my point is.

Oh yes, I remember, volume sales!!! Ford and Vauxhall are good at it, BMW aren't far behind. Well yes,they are but, you get my point.

They will continue to produce Focus rs's that are actually quite good, for decent money.

But my point is, when does the volume sales v individuality meet??

REAL individuality!

Huh?

[440xiGCMsport]

Originally Posted by C5 FOR

It's horses for courses. Some of us like the bland Audi and others like the bland 3 (in whatever form). So, from my perspective it's all rather bland.

Where for god sake is anything that's actually individual? Something that stands out, something that.......makes me stop and utter the words, YOU are gorgeous!!!!

If anyone says have you seen the M4 or its GTS counterpart, I will send the SAS to get you. They are fucking ugly.

My point being, actually, I'm not sure what my point is.

Oh yes, I remember, volume sales!!! Ford and Vauxhall are good at it, BMW aren't far behind. Well yes,they are but, you get my point.

They will continue to produce Focus rs's that are actually quite good, for decent money.

But my point is, when does the volume sales v individuality meet??

REAL individuality!

I think your point is that the english love to drink their beer.

[PBureno]

Originally Posted by C5 FOR

It's horses for courses. Some of us like the bland Audi and others like the bland 3 (in whatever form). So, from my perspective it's all rather bland.

Where for god sake is anything that's actually individual? Something that stands out, something that.......makes me stop and utter the words, YOU are gorgeous!!!!

If anyone says have you seen the M4 or its GTS counterpart, I will send the SAS to get you. They are fucking ugly.

My point being, actually, I'm not sure what my point is.

Oh yes, I remember, volume sales!!! Ford and Vauxhall are good at it, BMW aren't far behind. Well yes,they are but, you get my point.

They will continue to produce Focus rs's that are actually quite good, for decent money.

But my point is, when does the volume sales v individuality meet??

REAL individuality!

wtf did I just read

[C5 FOR]

Originally Posted by 435xiGCMsport

I think your point is that the english love to drink their beer.

Yes, it was one of those evenings.

Apologies to all.

Btw, it was Scotland, that famous wine producing nation.

[goj]

I ve seen a few 2017 A4s around work in the Bay Area. I honestly don't think much of it. Audi has cool features especially the gauges but the ergonomics are not good (i.e. Infotainment controls in front of auto shifter), no manual, and the seats in every Audi I have been in are not as comfortable.

This is my experience and why I got a BMW 340i over an Audi S4.

[Zirenz2006]

Originally Posted by Minkia

if you think your 3 has a better interior than the c-class, you nuthuggin.

Don't see the big deal with the C class interior.

Plenty of bling for people who like that.

Nav screen looks horrible. BMWs is integrated with the dash because the dash swoops around it... Remove it and it would look like something is missing. Mercs essentially looks like an afterthought tacked on.

[440xiGCMsport]

Originally Posted by C5 FOR

Yes, it was one of those evenings.

Apologies to all.

Btw, it was Scotland, that famous wine producing nation.

almost sober?
Btw, it was Scotland, that famous wine drinking nation Fixed

Originally Posted by goj

I ve seen a few 2017 A4s around work in the Bay Area. I honestly don't think much of it. Audi has cool features especially the gauges but the ergonomics are not good (i.e. Infotainment controls in front of auto shifter), no manual, and the seats in every Audi I have been in are not as comfortable.

This is my experience and why I got a BMW 340i over an Audi S4.

It may look weird but if you have sat in one and used it, it is just fine. The shifter is used as a resting area when you use the MMI. Also if you notice the placement of the cups is exactly the same as the BMW and with the BMW having the taller shifter you have to becareful when getting the cup while in the Audi the shifter is father away and lower so you don't have to worry about hitting the shifter.

Originally Posted by Zirenz2006

Don't see the big deal with the C class interior.

Plenty of bling for people who like that.

Nav screen looks horrible. BMWs is integrated with the dash because the dash swoops around it... Remove it and it would look like something is missing. Mercs essentially looks like an afterthought tacked on.

+1 looks like a sticked on ipad. doesn't look sturdy either and makes me wonder if it will make noises in a couple of years from road bumps.
Sitting in the C class the dash is abnormally high.