[bluemark]

I am considering a 2016 435 x-drive M Sport that my dealer claims has the M Performance Package I and II. It clearly has package I, but I can't find anything that would identify package II on the car other than the dealer's option list. There are no labels beneath the hood or engine cover identifying the power pac. The tail pipes don't have the M insignia either. Is this possible? Anyone else in Canada have this option with no identifying features for it?

[440xiGCMsport]

pics of the exhaust would help.
all the 2016 that I have seen had the m insignia.
take pic of engine bay also.

[bluemark]

Originally Posted by 440xiGCMsport

pics of the exhaust would help.
all the 2016 that I have seen had the m insignia.
take pic of engine bay also.

That's what I thought. I'm sure this car doesn't have it, but they're charging me for it. I will post pics tomorrow, but it just looks like the regular 435 engine bay and exhaust pipes.

[440xiGCMsport]

Originally Posted by bluemark

That's what I thought. I'm sure this car doesn't have it, but they're charging me for it. I will post pics tomorrow, but it just looks like the regular 435 engine bay and exhaust pipes.

You can also get the VIN number and go to another dealership to ask for details or even better ask BMW canada to see if they can get you the options list if you don't trust that dealership.

[itrocks4u]

Check your last 7 digits on bmwvin website and see if it lists it. I'll take a few pics tomorrow but try searching this forum. There is discussion on it

[bluemark]

Originally Posted by itrocks4u

Check your last 7 digits on bmwvin website and see if it lists it. I'll take a few pics tomorrow but try searching this forum. There is discussion on it

Here are the results of the VIN lookup and pics. Not sure I can really tell from the VIN lookup, but from the pics, it doesn't look like it has it from what I can tell. This may be a very interesting conversation with my dealer as I am being charged for it. Is it possible it still has it without having all the identifying marks to indicate it does?

[overkill1125]

From the pics, it's clear that it doesnt have the MP2 unless they will install it before you pic up the car. Enjoy your conversation!

[Mhnd198502]

I have 340hp on mine with the MP2.

[Mhnd198502]

exhaust pic

[bluemark]

Originally Posted by Mhnd198502

I have 340hp on mine with the MP2.

Can you take a pic of your display and engine in the event I need to use it. They may use the US vs Canadian argument, so it would be nice to have pics from a Canadian car. ......and if you can, of your exhaust as well (underneath).

[440xiGCMsport]

Originally Posted by overkill1125

From the pics, it's clear that it doesnt have the MP2 unless they will install it before you pic up the car. Enjoy your conversation!

+1

[Mhnd198502]

Originally Posted by bluemark

Can you take a pic of your display and engine in the event I need to use it. They may use the US vs Canadian argument, so it would be nice to have pics from a Canadian car. ......and if you can, of your exhaust as well (underneath).

I`ll do it tomorrow. I cannot walk or bend today.
All MP2 should have close to 340hp.

[bluemark]

Originally Posted by Mhnd198502

I`ll do it tomorrow. I cannot walk or bend today.
All MP2 should have close to 340hp.

That would be great thanks. Their quote clearly shows ZHE - M Performance Package II (Offered Until 5.25) $2,500.00, and they even talked to me about it having that particular option. In any case, the car should be $2500 cheaper anyway.

I'm not sure why the caveat (Offered Until 5.25).

[DrifterX]

Walk away! That's super shady.

[itrocks4u]

Originally Posted by bluemark

That would be great thanks. Their quote clearly shows ZHE - M Performance Package II (Offered Until 5.25) $2,500.00, and they even talked to me about it having that particular option. In any case, the car should be $2500 cheaper anyway.

I'm not sure why the caveat (Offered Until 5.25).

because of 430/440 production starting in June.

[itrocks4u]

Here are the pictures. The one you have does not have M-Performance Package II.

The exhaust tail pipes should have ///M on it. The Engine gets fancy M-performance stickers instead of Twin Turbo and finally your sports display should go up to 400 hp. See pictures attached.

Also see my PM re. lease takeover lol

[F87_LCI]

FWIW...I have a 2014 335 with M 1 and M 2 and I also have the "badge" on the intake and the etched logos on both tail pipes (although I have the older style non-rounded pipes)...sport displays are also updated. I agree with poster ^, this car does not appear to have M 2 option.

You have done the right thing by coming here to ask opinions and do your research. You should be able to go back to the dealer with a decent argument for a $ reduction...or to get a car that actually has the features you want.

I wouldn't jump to the assumption that the dealer is purposely trying to "scam" you; he/she might just be reading what is on the options list in the company database for this particular vehicle. It used to surprise me how many of these "salesmen" know very little about the product they sell, but not so much anymore as I see it all too often. Last time I took my car in for service the service guy said "that's a nice M3". Service should know what they are working on, no? I didn't even bother correcting him...

[Wormiez]

I agree, good thing you checked here. Many sales rep aren't educated on the fine details.

When I was shopping I had a rep try and sell me a Sport Line model claiming it was the M-Sport line...

[bluemark]

Originally Posted by itrocks4u

Here are the pictures. The one you have does not have M-Performance Package II.

The exhaust tail pipes should have ///M on it. The Engine gets fancy M-performance stickers instead of Twin Turbo and finally your sports display should go up to 400 hp. See pictures attached.

Also see my PM re. lease takeover lol

Thanks. I did respond to your PM.

[bluemark]

Originally Posted by LagunaSecaBlue

FWIW...I have a 2014 335 with M 1 and M 2 and I also have the "badge" on the intake and the etched logos on both tail pipes (although I have the older style non-rounded pipes)...sport displays are also updated. I agree with poster ^, this car does not appear to have M 2 option.

You have done the right thing by coming here to ask opinions and do your research. You should be able to go back to the dealer with a decent argument for a $ reduction...or to get a car that actually has the features you want.

I wouldn't jump to the assumption that the dealer is purposely trying to "scam" you; he/she might just be reading what is on the options list in the company database for this particular vehicle. It used to surprise me how many of these "salesmen" know very little about the product they sell, but not so much anymore as I see it all too often. Last time I took my car in for service the service guy said "that's a nice M3". Service should know what they are working on, no? I didn't even bother correcting him...

Yeah, I honestly think he believes the car has it, but I'm not sure why he thinks it does. I hope it is just a mistake. He was not in today, so wasn't able to ask him, however, I did talk to the service tech and he wasn't quite sure what to look for to confirm it, but checked out the VIN which indeed confirmed it does not. Although, it would have been nice to have, its also nice to save the $2500.

[TheUltimateDrivingManiac]

Originally Posted by itrocks4u

Check your last 7 digits on bmwvin website and see if it lists it. I'll take a few pics tomorrow but try searching this forum. There is discussion on it

You cannot see MPP2 on bmwvin and other similar websites, as, I guess, this package is never coming from the factory.

[bluemark]

Originally Posted by TheUltimateDrivingManiac

You cannot see MPP2 on bmwvin and other similar websites, as, I guess, this package is never coming from the factory.

The service tech says they have no record of adding it.