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      11-13-2013, 09:00 PM   #1189
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If you're referring to Auto-Start-Stop (aka ASS), yes, the dealer can reprogram it to Last User Mode. However, my 2014 already came programmed that way, and I think the setting is profile-independent (if you have the HU_NBT nav).
Called Autohaus and they need the car 1/2 day to program this and $40 for a bmw loaner? any other dealership w/no charge loaner....
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      11-13-2013, 11:03 PM   #1190
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If you're referring to Auto-Start-Stop (aka ASS), yes, the dealer can reprogram it to Last User Mode. However, my 2014 already came programmed that way, and I think the setting is profile-independent (if you have the HU_NBT nav).
Called Autohaus and they need the car 1/2 day to program this and $40 for a bmw loaner? any other dealership w/no charge loaner....
I think SERPA BMW has no charge loaner. But u'll have to drive all the way to New Market I believe...
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      11-15-2013, 07:59 PM   #1191
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Called Autohaus and they need the car 1/2 day to program this and $40 for a bmw loaner? any other dealership w/no charge loaner....
Town+Country doesn't charge for loaners.
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      11-15-2013, 08:16 PM   #1192
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Town+Country doesn't charge for loaners.
Called them as well $40/bmw loaner. Serpa does not charge
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      11-15-2013, 08:34 PM   #1193
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Called them as well $40/bmw loaner. Serpa does not charge
That's odd, i've been going there for years and never had to pay for a loaner, although most times it has not been a BMW, they provide a free rental car from the Discount car rental desk in the dealership.
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      11-15-2013, 08:47 PM   #1194
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I think if you purchase from them, they don't charge for loaners.
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      11-15-2013, 09:25 PM   #1195
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I bought mine from TC and they don't charge (but if it's just ordinary oil change, TC would not give me a loaner for free). Go figure.
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      11-26-2013, 08:14 PM   #1196
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is $65,000 estoril blue msport package 2013 DEMO 335i xdrive be an okay deal? it has about 10k clicks on it lol. i think its abit too much and they say it is not going to be a cpo car just the remainder of the warranty. pls advice!
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      11-26-2013, 09:17 PM   #1197
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I suggest the fair value would be 20-22.5% off the MSRP and that's price + taxes and no other fees at all. After all, you are buying a used car, NOT a demo.

Therefore, $65K seems like you can buy a 2014 brand new one.


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is $65,000 estoril blue msport package 2013 DEMO 335i xdrive be an okay deal? it has about 10k clicks on it lol. i think its abit too much and they say it is not going to be a cpo car just the remainder of the warranty. pls advice!
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      11-27-2013, 02:45 AM   #1198
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I suggest the fair value would be 20-22.5% off the MSRP and that's price + taxes and no other fees at all. After all, you are buying a used car, NOT a demo.

Therefore, $65K seems like you can buy a 2014 brand new one.
Yea i talked to them they wont budge on 65k taxes in and everything out the door i really thought thats too much. For a year how much percent off msrp are we looking at for discount? Does demo/used doesnt come with cpo warranty if they sell it the same year?
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      11-27-2013, 07:50 AM   #1199
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Demo will low mileage (typically under 2000's km) and registered in service already will have the balance of factory warranty in place. Used one will have the balance of factory warranty and if you want CPO (status on used) with extended warranty, then you will have to negotiate with the dealer to get that thrown in. The difference in calling a demo & used would come down to how many kms on the car.

Typically, for a car driven 20,000km in the first year, the car will generally depreciate by about 30% and by end of 3rd year, the car would have depreciated by little bit more than 50%


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Yea i talked to them they wont budge on 65k taxes in and everything out the door i really thought thats too much. For a year how much percent off msrp are we looking at for discount? Does demo/used doesnt come with cpo warranty if they sell it the same year?
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      11-27-2013, 12:46 PM   #1200
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Yea i talked to them they wont budge on 65k taxes in and everything out the door i really thought thats too much. For a year how much percent off msrp are we looking at for discount? Does demo/used doesnt come with cpo warranty if they sell it the same year?
As a point of reference, a couple months ago I picked up a 2013 335i X-Drive, M-Sport and Premium Package with 9,000km for $55k all-in (MSRP was $62k + tax), so I'd say it is sort of consistent with bobblehead's assessment of depreciation.

$62k * 80% (20% depreciation) * 1.13 (HST in Ontario) = $56k
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      11-27-2013, 02:32 PM   #1201
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so depriciation for the first year would be 20% then in four years (when you buy cpo car) could be atleast 54% off MSRP correct?
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      11-27-2013, 03:12 PM   #1202
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1st full year of depreciation with about 20,000km would be in the 30% range. Given your example has about half on it, then I feel 20% (roughly 2/3 of a full year's depreciation rate) is being suggested.

By end of 4th year, the 335 will have a residual of about 42-44% of the MSRP.


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so depriciation for the first year would be 20% then in four years (when you buy cpo car) could be atleast 54% off MSRP correct?
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      11-27-2013, 04:25 PM   #1203
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Swap?

I contacted my dealer about deals on winter tires and he wanted to see if I was interested in this:

$1700 down and he would swap me from my 2012 Luxury 328i to an xDrive. I have about 40k KM's on it.

I have had car for almost 18 months

Payments would remain the same (he is still hammering out the details)
I feel I am paying a bit high now $704/month. MSP was originally 47,900.

A friend just got a '13 Xdrive loaded for $650 all in...

thoughts?

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      11-27-2013, 04:53 PM   #1204
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^ your friend got a low payment - mainly low interest rate + factory credit + dealer side discount, offset by lower residual and all due to getting the car at end of model year

In your case, what interest rate you signed, looks like you got yours at beginning of the model year, thus some dealer side discount but no factory credit, offset by higher residual

Mind you, if you do switch out for a new ride, ask the dealer what's the negative equity in the switch and show all details for both new & current car
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      11-27-2013, 05:04 PM   #1205
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Thank you for your reply.

At the end of the day it will all come down to numbers.

I am assuming the negative equity is being made up from some form of discounts (that I never received, due to timing of my purchase), my $4400 I put down and then the $1700 I put in now...

I appreciate any and all feed back, this is all new to me
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      11-29-2013, 04:32 PM   #1206
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Looks like I am going to swap my 2012 328i no xdrive for a 2012 x3 Msport x35.

My payments are going from $700 to $850 (with 20k balloon), KMs are almost a wash (40k on each), the x3 has more features (rear/front camera, bmw connect/apps and enhanced BT (all of which I don't have)

My negative equity is being absorbed and I get a bigger vehicle for my family with the features I was missing in my 328.

Any thoughts?
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      11-29-2013, 10:29 PM   #1207
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Looks like I am going to swap my 2012 328i no xdrive for a 2012 x3 Msport x35.

My payments are going from $700 to $850 (with 20k balloon), KMs are almost a wash (40k on each), the x3 has more features (rear/front camera, bmw connect/apps and enhanced BT (all of which I don't have)

My negative equity is being absorbed and I get a bigger vehicle for my family with the features I was missing in my 328.

Any thoughts?
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      12-18-2013, 11:36 PM   #1208
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Hi guys. I am wondering is 45K a fair price for 2014 320xdrive base model with a parking sensor? That 45k is everything included( tax included as well). Going to dealer tomorrow.
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      12-19-2013, 12:04 AM   #1209
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Looks like I am going to swap my 2012 328i no xdrive for a 2012 x3 Msport x35.

My payments are going from $700 to $850 (with 20k balloon), KMs are almost a wash (40k on each), the x3 has more features (rear/front camera, bmw connect/apps and enhanced BT (all of which I don't have)

My negative equity is being absorbed and I get a bigger vehicle for my family with the features I was missing in my 328.

Any thoughts?
Make sure you drive the X3 several times, preferable with all family members in it. I had a 2011 X3 MSport 35i and traded it after one year due to ride issues for my wife. The deal may be OK, but be sure you want a SAV over a car.
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