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02-04-2013, 11:40 AM | #90 | |
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I did not give my example and censor you or tell you what to do in return. But in my example, I did not create a thread about my driving my car around in an less than ideal situation and or get offended when others put in their two cents to counter.
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I have to edit this by stating, the car can handle NJ snow at around 30 degrees with no hills. Maybe thats the mistake I made
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02-05-2013, 07:57 AM | #94 | |
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edit; you didnt have the "5" in your earlier posts. SSR is a/s...Contisport 5 ssr is summer, you are correct. Last edited by 335BBS; 02-05-2013 at 01:59 PM.. |
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02-05-2013, 08:49 AM | #95 | |
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You're generalizing just as much as the snow tire zealots.. O..oo But Keep it up... |
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02-05-2013, 09:34 AM | #96 | |
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02-05-2013, 09:46 AM | #97 |
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Ok, I was overreaching, but I could rein in the generalization to "many posters expound on their risqué wheels, tints, tunes, and speedy driving, and do not catch the vitriolic flack reserved for the majority that apparently cautiously drive on summer tires on snow from time to time".
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02-05-2013, 09:50 AM | #98 | |
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Pretty sure the ConstiSportContact 5 SSRs are summer performance. They're listed as such on tire-rack, carid, and on my BMW order form lol. And trust me, in any real snow (2-3 inches or more) these things are NOT ideal. It shows when going up snowy driveways, you can still get up and down just fine, but you'll feel the wheel slip. |
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02-05-2013, 12:09 PM | #100 |
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We should sticky this thread since this will be the ultimate collection of famous last words.
I lived in PA for 11 years, and I had a Subaru the whole time. I started running two sets of tires, summer + winter after I spun out on NJ turnpike on my ALL SEASONS as I was coming home from Long Island. My all seasons worked just fine on that road for the first hour, that is until the moment I ended up in the ditch. Luckily I was going slow, no other car was around me, and the ditch was a pile of soft snow, so no damage was done, but it was still scary as hell. The fact is that AWD does jack shit in making you stop. When your tires lose grip, how many wheels the power is sent to means absolutely nothing. Go to a Subaru forum, where people really know what they are talking about regarding AWD, and post your story about running summers in NJ winter. You will be laughed off. And as for BMW knowing what they are doing, I suggest you send an email to BMW USA and ask for their opinion on whether you are operating your vehicle as the engineers intended. I think I know the answer. |
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02-05-2013, 12:40 PM | #101 | |
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In fact, in terrible conditions, he blew by me and everyone else on the road going twice my speed, lost it on some ice, and wrecked his family's car. It's a scoreboard thing - if one spins out, one was driving badly. I think it is actually the law - if one loses control and has an accident, one is at fault. Driving on ice and snow in summer tires does not automatically result in an accident and megadeath. Yes, one is safer with snow tires, even safer with chains, safer still driving a Hummer at 5 mph, but driving in snow on summer tires can be fine and half the drivers are doing it. I get on average 2 days a year of bad driving from ice and snow here in Seattle, and I'm not spending many hours and $$ shuffling my tires for those two trips. I got the x-drive to cover all bases, such as ski trips, in case I move, and just a little extra traction for hills and rain (accelerating, I know it doesn't help with braking). Last edited by JohnVidale; 02-05-2013 at 01:00 PM.. |
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02-05-2013, 12:49 PM | #102 | |
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You really have to have a bad experience to make you do the summer/winter tire thing when living in the Northern portions of the states (might be a different story in 20 years with global warming, but for now this applies). It was 1997, I had just got a 1998 Ford Contour SVT and took it back with me to college in Ann Arbor (U of M). It was a typical Michigan lake effect snow storm, I had the stock all-seasons on, and was driving perfectly fine on Washtenaw Ave/Road (forgot the main conduit name). I was lightly braking and spun out, 2 full 360's, into oncoming traffic. This is Michigan, so driver's are smart, and I didn't get hit. But I went that afternoon to Sears, bought some snow tires for $400 (lol back in the day, 16 snow tires were so cheap), and never looked back. I've driven through Michigan/CT/NJ/NY/MD snow storms and blizzards for now 18 years, and ALWAYS have snow tires regardless of the powertrain. My most stable snow car/suv: ML55 AMG with snow tires. Least: Evo VIII with snow tires (I blame the GSC Cams/FMIC/TBE and nearly 330awhp!) Moderate: this car with snow tires, my wife's RDX with snow tires.
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02-05-2013, 01:14 PM | #104 | |
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So it is pointless to say "driving in snow on summer tires can be fine and half the drivers are doing it." (By the way, care to back up that "half" by an actual study?) The fact is that the decrease in grip level is significant when you run summers on snow, and it will significantly increase your chance of crash. Does that mean that you are guaranteed to crash on the first snow day of the winter? Anyone who thinks that needs to learn the concept of probability. But the fact that certain probability is below 100% doesn't make it unlikley. You may be in Seattle and have little need for dedicated snow tires, but running summers all year long in NJ is really pushing your luck. |
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02-05-2013, 01:22 PM | #105 |
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Across all of Canada - "The national number was 51%, buoyed by the fact Quebec has made winter tire usage mandatory - the only Canadian province to do so to this point."
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02-05-2013, 01:29 PM | #106 |
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I think there's some miscommunication here.
WINTER TIRES are only used by a very small percent of the population (in 2008 that number was 3% of cars in America and about 34% in Canada according to Edmunds). But in your original post John you stated that half of the people drive in the winter using SUMMER tires, and that's probably not true (i doubt half of the people driving cars in US/Canada even have summer tires at all). Conclusion: Pretty much all of the US and most of Canada's rolling around on all seasons. Personally, I'm on Summer tires in the winter, and these are the wheels that came default on my car from the dealership. Do I think Winter tires would do better in the winter/cold? Absolutely. Given the choice, would I rather use Winter tires than summer? Of course But do I think that winter/all seasons are ABSOLUTELY necessary WHERE I live? Not really Being in the middle of NYC, auto shop and wheel storage options are extremely limited. If I was out in the suburbs where there were a lot of affordable auto shops and I had a garage with lots of space, I'd definitely get a set of dedicated winters. But around here, I'd probably have to rent a slot at a storage center (to the tune of at least $100 a month), and then pay some local overpriced dealership to change the tires ($79/hr workshop fee, at least 1 hour charged for anything). That means I'm looking at $1000+ every year to maintain a set of winter tires. In addition, it really SNOWS like twice a year here. Rest of the time at most we'll get a small flurry that turns to water as soon as it lands. When it does snow, all roads are immediately plowed and salted, so you'll pretty much never see snow on the road anyway. Worst comes to worst, if there was a blizzard (like the one two years ago), I'll leave my car at home and go rent a 4x4, or better yet not drive anywhere. So yes, I'd be safer on dedicated winters, my summer ones will get hard even when it's not snowing in winter, etc etc. But taking into account all the factors that go into driving, going around NYC in summer tires now is pretty far down the list of things that could screw me over. I'm pretty sure that if every member here honestly asked themselves, they'd all be able to remember something they've done that's more dangerous (eating while driving, driving in a bad mood/after an argument, driving under time constraints (late for flight/meeting etc), answering phone while driving, driving without enough sleep, etc) Last edited by Tsuyoi; 02-05-2013 at 01:39 PM.. |
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Just an FYI, my dealer in northern NJ offers free storage for life if you buy snows from them. FREE.
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