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i could see there being little to no change in HP. like say 330 and 260, and in the real world actually the same given how underrated the n20/n55 were. To the person who said the e90 325i and 328i had a 15hp jump, that was just on paper too. it was the same exact engine and intake / exhaust. they just changed the number and increased the model number. When the n55 came out it didn't increase HP over the n54. many argued it made it less. The B series engines are supposed to use different injectors that cause less carbon buildup and allow finer spraying of fuel to be more efficient. probably will save a few mpg. but doesnt necessarily mean it'll be much more powerful. |
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IMO the S4 only competed against the E90 335is which was a more sport oriented 335 with more HP. The F30 335 is just a more powerful version of the 328i where the S4 has high end sport seats and a very sport oriented suspension as well as the supercharged engine. BMW offers nothing in the F30 that matches those specs. You'd need to add a lot of M Performance options to equate it to S4 equipment levels.
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12-14-2014, 04:57 AM | #91 | |
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a 335i m-sport i think would be fairly competitive. with the S4. Yeah bmw hasn't come out with a m335i F30 or anything like that, but i wouldn't sell the F30 335i short like that. sure a 335i luxury line wouldn't be there, but i'd still rather have a F30 335i m-sport over a S4 myself. |
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320i --- 180hp 328i --- 260hp M340i - 340hp (with suspension and exhaust upgrades and a tuned 3 series engine) M3 ----- 420hp Audi has got this one figured out, while BMW has been busy making ambiguous active tourers and porking up it's line-up more than ever. A lot can be said about streamlining. |
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It's true that the S4 offers more uniqueness vs. an A4 than a 335i does vs. a 328i. However, the S4 and 335i (particularly in xDrive spec) have been pitted against each other by a number of magazines with some testers preferring the Audi and some preferring the BMW. That said, an M340i would definitely be a welcome product, especially with a power bump over the upcoming ~330hp 340i. BMW won't be matching (or approximately matching) the S4's power for long - the B9 S4 is expecting to drop some time next year with 350-ish hp and a bit less weight than the current model. |
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I guess again this german lineup after LCI:
This seems to be the only solution which make really sence without leaving gap in important HP regions. |
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It seems odd the 320 would retain the same badge but get a power increase in the same F30 chassis, though. Also curious as to which models the states will receive, probably just 325, 330 and 340? Quote:
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318i 320i 330i 340i THAT'S IT. |
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12-14-2014, 08:07 PM | #99 |
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The stuff you're "curious" about has been public on this very site for at least 5 or 6 months now.
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My problem is that BMW all the time has the same hp-numbers for all models with the same numbers (last two digits) in all series. So an .25i would have the same hp-numbers in an 225i and in an possible 325i and in an possible 525i (G10?), so when they went to the 330i moniker it must have an higher hp-output than the .25is 231PS in JCW and 225i AT and also than in the pre-LCI 328i with 245PS, so I guess 260PS is the absolutely minimum PS-number for an 330i ... which would leave the most important german hp-range 200-250hp range empty!? Seams not logical if BMW has an perfekt fitting .25i engine with 231PS allready in its engine portfolio ... and also all the time in the past, if an 330i exists, an 325i fills the gap between 320i and 330i. |
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And at least the all new G11 7-series defines a lot for the greater F30 LCI engines ... since the last two digit means that all models were these digit are the same will have the same hp-numbers. And for the G11 this models would make sence:
Okay ... with an little chance for 250PS in the 730i and 350PS in the 740i, but 250PS seem a little bit low for an enty level 7er series and in the 3er series a little bit too small increase to justify going from the 328i to the 330i moniker. |
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Thanks. I'm a neighbor by the way. I'm in Farmington Hills.
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Lol. I have to agree with what you said about this 340i nonsense at 370hp. You have tried for so long to tone down the expectations with no luck
However I still think it's a possibility at an additional cost to the standard 340i. No way is BMW selling a 340-370hp 340i at the current 335i prices
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Considering US sales are below expectations, and the competition offers engines at the same price point with more power, one should not be surprised if BMW bumped up their power for the first time since 2006. I'm sure the 340 will see a price increase from the 335... Isn't that usually the case when there is a LCI? It is for new chassis and even from each new MY Last edited by Pauleebe; 12-16-2014 at 09:59 AM.. |
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As far as 340-370hp (advertised hp) in standard 340i trim is concerned I think that's just nonsense. Not for 335i money adjusted for your standard LCI price adjustments. However I don't hold a crystal ball nor do I work at BMW. Just one mans opinion
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