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      02-24-2017, 08:10 AM   #45
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Some of this makes sense, others, not so much. For example, Honda and Acura are pretty much the same, why are they vastly different? Same with Nissan/Infiniti. What's interesting, in both cases, the premium brand from the company faired worse.
I'd be guessing electronics/entertainment/nav which are more prevalent on the high end vehicles; I know Acura's suite took a nosedive.
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Mercedes lower than bmw? Um no.
Um, yes. MB actually made a strong showing; it has been getting creamed on quality for years, mainly, as has been alluded to both in article and comments, on basis of electronics issues. S-class has repeatedly been "much worse than average" in CR reporting which I think is closer to real world than JD initial as far as real problems go.
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Mercedes lower than bmw? Um no.
Um, yes. MB actually made a strong showing; it has been getting creamed on quality for years, mainly, as has been alluded to both in article and comments, on basis of electronics issues. S-class has repeatedly been "much worse than average" in CR reporting which I think is closer to real world than JD initial as far as real problems go.
Lol their cars are shit. My S63 coupe is shit.
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Lmao , you do not remove a quarter panel on a 911 for an oil change . Just the engine cover .And it costs no more than an oil change on a BMW .
Porsche oil change at stealership=2X oil change for BMW at stealership, at least in Chicago area.
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Where's Tesla? Did Elon Musk pay somebody to keep off the list?
I'm guessing too few cars/responders? I think only about 15,000 for 2014.
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Why are the results so different in the UK?
Plus more diesels in UK
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The day has arrived: Hyundai a more reliable quality than a BMW.
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Mercedes lower than bmw? Um no.
MB is better quality than BMW in my experience. My mom has had the same MB for 20 years now, and the only issue she ever had was her windshield wiper stopped working (220k miles). Sure that could be a unique occurrence. However, my father owned a number of BMW's over the years and each one has had major problems. So yes, I would agree that MB is a more reliable brand. I would hands down pick MB over BMW for a car I was going to keep a long time.

And sorry AMG over M as well for reliability too. I am still a huge BMW fan, but wouldn't keep one past warranty.
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Lmao , you do not remove a quarter panel on a 911 for an oil change . Just the engine cover .And it costs no more than an oil change on a BMW .
So Fiat being so low, does that mean Alfa Romeo will be too? a shame since I like the Gulia and Stelvio.

shocked Porsche is so high but Audi is just average, don't they share a lot?

This is dependant on surveys though, right? so the "human factor" is involved, which can mess with the data,
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shocked Porsche is so high but Audi is just average, don't they share a lot?

They only share the fact that they're both under the umbrella of Volkswagen (along with Bentley, Lambos, etc). Design and manufacturing is completely separate.
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Damn Infinity is damn near POS level. I figured they'd be up closer to Lexus ranking. And Fiat, that thing was always garbage.
nissan is shit, i had to replace the interior door handle on my GF's car at 40k, the plastic that retains the cable cracks and then you can't get out of the vehicle unless you replace or roll down the window...
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Mercedes lower than bmw? Um no.
MB is better quality than BMW in my experience. My mom has had the same MB for 20 years now, and the only issue she ever had was her windshield wiper stopped working (220k miles). Sure that could be a unique occurrence. However, my father owned a number of BMW's over the years and each one has had major problems. So yes, I would agree that MB is a more reliable brand. I would hands down pick MB over BMW for a car I was going to keep a long time.

And sorry AMG over M as well for reliability too. I am still a huge BMW fan, but wouldn't keep one past warranty.
Lol
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Whenever a new model is released the numbers usually tank. These ranking are useless for the most part as far as "reliability" is concerned. JD can't even get their narrative correct....I see more Jeep's and Infinity's on the road than most names on the list.... buyer's don't seem to be avoiding the worst on the list. The last 4 people I know to buy new cars bought a Q50, a Wrangler and 2 Grand Cherokees.
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How about this...who cares what JD Power ranks these cars?

You like driving them? Good! That's all that matters then.
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BMW #7? Sure they didn't leave off a zero there?!?

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Audi is the surprise here, I've owned an Audi before...didn't have any problem that I should mention except adaptive headlights failure...it's barely above average on the list!
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MB is better quality than BMW in my experience. My mom has had the same MB for 20 years now, and the only issue she ever had was her windshield wiper stopped working (220k miles). Sure that could be a unique occurrence. However, my father owned a number of BMW's over the years and each one has had major problems. So yes, I would agree that MB is a more reliable brand. I would hands down pick MB over BMW for a car I was going to keep a long time.

And sorry AMG over M as well for reliability too. I am still a huge BMW fan, but wouldn't keep one past warranty.
That's called anecdotal evidence; having said that, 20 years ago MB might have been more reliable though it was getting its but kicked by Lexus by then.
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They only share the fact that they're both under the umbrella of Volkswagen (along with Bentley, Lambos, etc). Design and manufacturing is completely separate.
Not "completely"; Macan is basically a Porschefied version of Q5--and much the better for it!
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Some of this makes sense, others, not so much. For example, Honda and Acura are pretty much the same, why are they vastly different? Same with Nissan/Infiniti. What's interesting, in both cases, the premium brand from the company faired worse.
More gizmos means more opportunities for problems...
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Interesting because year after year, Porsche falls in #2 behind Lexus and I've owned Lexus' and they're crazy reliable.

Surprised at a few spots....Acura being so low, Audi barely above average and Jags really stepping up their game because a few years ago Jags were crap.
They are actually tied here (both are at 110 PP100) .

IIRC, there have been years where Porsche beat Lexus and got the #1 spot to themselves
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Interesting because year after year, Porsche falls in #2 behind Lexus and I've owned Lexus' and they're crazy reliable.

Surprised at a few spots....Acura being so low, Audi barely above average and Jags really stepping up their game because a few years ago Jags were crap.
They are actually tied here (both are at 110 PP100) .

IIRC, there have been years where Porsche beat Lexus and got the #1 spot to themselves
I've always felt Porsche numbers were skewed because owners don't put a lot of miles on the cars. Lexus on the other hand.
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Some of this makes sense, others, not so much. For example, Honda and Acura are pretty much the same, why are they vastly different? Same with Nissan/Infiniti. What's interesting, in both cases, the premium brand from the company faired worse.
As they mentioned, electronics are becoming the biggest problem areas. For most of those company's, the higher end version ie: Acura and Infiniti, are loaded with more tech therefore more to break and decrease reliability
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