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Originally Posted by Xplosiv166

it looks like Scotland and N.Ireland could save the day and veto the result - thus leading to a new vote.

So what happens when those 17 million campaign via petition to have both Scotland and NI have referendums to leave the UK.

By rights England should also be able to decide if it wants to keep NI and Scotland or if we want to get rid of them.

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by Brigand

So what happens when those 17 million campaign via petition to have both Scotland and NI have referendums to leave the UK.

By rights England should also be able to decide if it wants to keep NI and Scotland or if we want to get rid of them.

From the numerous articles I've read this morning it looks like it would be nowhere near 17M people anymore!

[dopper99]

Originally Posted by Xplosiv166

it looks like Scotland and N.Ireland could save the day and veto the result - thus leading to a new vote.

Yes just watched the news earlier and Sturgeon was on there with regards veto'ing the result and choosing not to go along with it.

But if Scotland and N.Ireland DO go along with it and agree and it happens, surely they are going against all their own principles of what they want as leaders? Can they be forced to agree? Why should they agree?

[InquisitiveA]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

From the numerous articles I've read this morning it looks like it would be nowhere near 17M people anymore!

Are these articles written by people who last week were telling us how terrible it would be to leave the EU, while also smugly predicting that Remain would comfortably win the vote anyway?

The Remain side and the media should be examining why they are so out of touch with vast swathes of the electorate. Instead they are in denial.

[InquisitiveA]

Oh and Sturgeon's entire plan is based on the premise that the EU would welcome Scotland as a member. With oil prices on their backside and with Scotland having a considerable budget deficit as a result I think that's dubious at best, but perhaps we'll see.

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by InquisitiveA

Are these articles written by people who last week were telling us how terrible it would be to leave the EU, while also smugly predicting that Remain would comfortably win the vote anyway?

The Remain side and the media should be examining why they are so out of touch with vast swathes of the electorate. Instead they are in denial.

I know that there are lots of unhappy people in the country, with dissatisfaction about lots of things that are going on.

I think everyone in the country, Europe, much of the developed world should be asking themselves those questions I'm afraid, as we don't have the only society to feel like this, just the first one to be able to express it properly. Look at what is happening in the USA with Trump for example, and the rise of right-wing nationalist parties across Europe.

I'm doubtful many normal folk have the answers. I expect people know how they feel, but much less about what the root causes are, and therefore what the real solutions may be.

Where you and I differ is in belief as to whether the UK being in or out of the EU is the solution.

[InquisitiveA]

Originally Posted by Lobb

Scotland's budget deficit would be the largest in the EU. Do you think the German taxpayers will welcome Wee Nicola and her tartan army with open arms?

She thinks so, it will be funny to watch if it gets that far.

It's not just the Germans that you'd expect to be against it. Eastern Europe receives money from the EU, I'm sure they won't want to dilute that and share with Scotland. In fact the only people who will be in favour could be the Scots themselves...

[rich100]

Originally Posted by Lobb

Scotland's budget deficit would be the largest in the EU. Do you think the German taxpayers will welcome Wee Nicola and her tartan army with open arms?

I think she'll have some difficulty making the economic case.

Scotland's economic arguments at the time of the Scottish referendum were based on an assumed oil price of $110 per Barrel. Can't see that happening again any time soon and coupled with the deficit, it's not the most attractive proposition.

[Mattyk]

F*ck me NTG is missing a golden opportunity here.

[Mattyk]

Originally Posted by rich100

I think she'll have some difficulty making the economic case.

Scotland's economic arguments at the time of the Scottish referendum were based on an assumed oil price of $110 per Barrel. Can't see that happening again any time soon and couple with the deficit, it not the most attractive proposition.

Let's have another referendum, we can call it, scotjected, we all vote whether we let Scotland stay in the UK or force them to leave.

Obviously no more subsidies for them and they can keep the worthless oil fields.

Then, for a laugh, we can decide not to leave the EU in a moment of bonding between leave and remain, just to spite Alex Salmond.

[tomosnake]

Regardless of whichever side you voted for..what concerns me is that within days of the result, the PM has resigned, we've hardly heard from anyone in Government and the official opposition is descending into civil war amongst themselves.
These are the people entrusted with leadership in this country and have their fingers on the nuclear trigger. They should all be ashamed of themselves

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by tomosnake

Regardless of whichever side you voted for..what concerns me is that within days of the result, the PM has resigned, we've hardly heard from anyone in Government and the official opposition is descending into civil war amongst themselves.
These are the people entrusted with leadership in this country and have their fingers on the nuclear trigger. They should all be ashamed of themselves

Quite simply I don't think anyone has a clear idea what to do next. Given that the markets being closed over the weekend they probably need this space to think, discuss and agree plans.

Everyone except Corbyn of course, because he isn't a leader, he's a background protester totally out of his depth.

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Originally Posted by Tengocity

Quite simply I don't think anyone has a clear idea what to do next. Given that the markets being closed over the weekend they probably need this space to think, discuss and agree plans.

Everyone except Corbyn of course, because he isn't a leader, he's a background protester totally out of his depth.

see I just thought he was an utter spineless cock that needs fed feet first in to a wood chipper.

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by Brigand

see I just thought he was an utter spineless cock that needs fed feet first in to a wood chipper.

As I see it seems like an OK kind of guy, with the best of intentions. Personally I disagree with his ideology and proposed policies in the main, but at least I know what they are. Which is more than you can say for many flip-flopping politicians.
However, he clearly doesn't have the natural attributes required to succeed in his role as leader of the party, and even less so as a potential prime minister.

Seems a bit harsh what you'd like to do to him!

[robwils]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

Quite simply I don't think anyone has a clear idea what to do next. Given that the markets being closed over the weekend they probably need this space to think, discuss and agree plans.

Everyone except Corbyn of course, because he isn't a leader, he's a background protester totally out of his depth.

Agree , and given that there were only two outcomes it seems ludicrous

[Drisser]

Such a referendum should never have taken place IMO. Government are elected to make the big policy decisions for a country. With a 75% or so turnout, given it was 52/48, effectively the winning side represents only about 35% of the UK population, regardless of which side you vote for. You could argue that those that didn't vote don't care, but even so it seems ridiculous to me that such a huge decision affecting the country for many years (not just 4 for a general election) to come is decided by around a third of the population.

if I recall, David Cameron made this promise for the referendum as part of the election campaign and if I recall right, then it has spectacularly backfired, and eve worse he has just quit on the country. I can see the UK heading for a complete breakup the way things are going.

Both sides of the argument made a poor show of the campaign and used it to position themselves politically, with SNP now doing exactly that within 24 hours of the result to push for another independence vote.

Whatever way you look at it or how you voted, this is one monumental disorganised fu** up and I don't think anyone has a clue what to do next.

[Drisser]

PS a lot of very ignorant people I know seem to have done most of their research on Facebook and decided base on what some other people think. One lady who works with my other half told her she was going to vote one way then changed her mind because her daughter showed her some FB comments saying the other way was a better idea.

It shows how poor and uninformative the whole campaign was by both sides that a lot of people seem to have turned to FB. There werealso some frankly ridiculous levels of misunderstanding. Someone else made a post that seemed to imply that they thought this week all the eastern Europeans would be being shipped out on boats as a result of the vote. Really sad.

[McBride]

I genuinely don't know what to think about it all.

The whole referendum in my eyes was a complete shambles lead by lies and exaggerated truths to deceive people.

I wonder what the results would be if we had another referendum today? I feel like there's a lot of people who regretting decisions, especially now the leave campaign have gone back on half the things they said.

As a forum of intelligent successful people, I'm sure everybody on here researched and made their own decisions on how to vote. But it worries me how many people voted without any thought of the implications.

As for going forwards, as a remain voter I feel like the damage is now done lets get on with it and make the best of the bed we have made. However like the comment on the guardian says, how do you feasibly go about doing that? I could completely understand if article 50 never came into effect.

[TimMcC]

Originally Posted by McBride

The whole referendum in my eyes was a complete shambles lead by lies and exaggerated truths to deceive people.

Should there be legal proceedings (fraud?) against those who knowingly and willingly deceived the British public to further their own agenda? Such as the outrageous statement on the side of the red bus?

[McBride]

Originally Posted by TimMcC

Should there be legal proceedings (fraud?) against those who knowingly and willingly deceived the British public to further their own agenda? Such as the outrageous statement on the side of the red bus?

The whole thing should of been subject to the same rules and restrictions that are placed on TV adverts.
How is it that a TV advert for washing up liquid has to be factual and not bend the truth yet with something as important as politics, MPs are free to spout whatever crap they feel like.

They should face legal action but they never will.

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by McBride

The whole referendum in my eyes was a complete shambles lead by lies and exaggerated truths to deceive people.

And exactly how is that different to any political campaign held in every country in the world today?

[Beancounter_74]

I could be wrong, but isn't there an independent body which validates the financial claims made through a General Election process? I don't believe the laws of the referendum required such measures.