[marcoac14]

Originally Posted by Vitoco

Of course you dont have to prove shit, but it would help your credibility if you would/could instead of just saying "i dont think so". And now you gave your explanation to why you think that and thats great, so chill.

The explanation I gave sounds obvious IMHO. That's why I didn't give any explanation at first.

But I may be wrong.

I'm still wondering what caused the issue. I mean the root cause.

[Vitoco]

Originally Posted by marcoac14

The explanation I gave sounds obvious IMHO. That's why I didn't give any explanation at first.

But I may be wrong.

I'm still wondering what caused the issue. I mean the root cause.

And thats why I even ask the question, cause it MAY have something to do with it. Stranger things have happened..

[Darkfiber]

Here in Belgium, if your car is dealer maintained, and you have stuff break outside warranty, they will cover some of the cost, usually the parts and you just pay for work hours...

But you obviously can't mess with the car, like lowering and tuning it will void any warranty.

[Mansory 21]

I have read about the camshaft issue. And the car was in the dealer before, for brakepads change. and i put them to make all the recalls possible. For my VIN number there was no camshaft recall, although i mention it to the service advisor.

So, i guess the car was not in that lot.

For the moment we are in the same stage, trying to make bmw to accept somekind of support of the repair.

I will keep you posted.

Anyway, after the repair, the car will be sold. I miss my Porsche

[Tomahawk]

we just had a 328 with the identical damage get a new engine at my dealer. little old lady drove it. blew out the oil pan, and you could see straight through the block

[Mansory 21]

We had no luck with BMW to support us with the repair. Because it was out of warranty and the Injen intake fitted.

Also, off the record, the BMW mechanics, told us that the damage was from the oil pump wich it seems that it had some issues and could not provide correct lubrication.

This is unofficially, so we cannot use this as argument.

The final solution is to repair the engine, or change it with another from a rear damaged car.

Don't know yet.

[x5mad]

This really sucks.

First I don't see how an intake can cause this damage.

2nd why is the warranty so varied throughout the world? 2 years for a premium car is frankly quite ridiculous. I tend to keep my cars for about 4-5 years and big bills or problems usually rear its head at around 3 years.

In Australia we used to have 2 year warranty which is now 3 years.

Does Bmw not produce the exact same product across the globe? Why then should one country get 2 vs 4 year warranty? IMHO it's just money grabbing. Just because the "norm" there is 2 years doesn't mean it's right. They use that to get away with what they can. I doubt Americans would accept or put up with 2 year warranty.

I would consider your car low mileage still and appears to be well maintained and not abused. Don't they have to prove that the intake caused the issue or at least beyond reasonable doubt?

I wonder if apple could offer varying warranties with their products. Say 6 months here and 12 months there.

I've had repairs out of warranty covered by Bmw. It's all on a case by case basis and I would have hoped they at least cover parts or some goodwill in this case.

[TurboM]

Originally Posted by x5mad

This really sucks.

First I don't see how an intake can cause this damage.

2nd why is the warranty so varied throughout the world? 2 years for a premium car is frankly quite ridiculous. I tend to keep my cars for about 4-5 years and big bills or problems usually rear its head at around 3 years.

In Australia we used to have 2 year warranty which is now 3 years.

Does Bmw not produce the exact same product across the globe? Why then should one country get 2 vs 4 year warranty? IMHO it's just money grabbing. Just because the "norm" there is 2 years doesn't mean it's right. They use that to get away with what they can. I doubt Americans would accept or put up with 2 year warranty.

I would consider your car low mileage still and appears to be well maintained and not abused. Don't they have to prove that the intake caused the issue or at least beyond reasonable doubt?

I wonder if apple could offer varying warranties with their products. Say 6 months here and 12 months there.

I've had repairs out of warranty covered by Bmw. It's all on a case by case basis and I would have hoped they at least cover parts or some goodwill in this case.

BMW is a global company with operating entities in many countries/regions. Each operates somewhat independently and sets their own standards and guidlines based on their locations and BMW corporate policies. It is not uncommon for certain practices (and warranties) to vary across countries.

I certainly see your point in this seems like a defect that should be addressed by the manufacturer but I'm pretty sure he knew the car had a 2 year warranty when he bought it, not much else can be said beyond that.

[smithf80]

Bring it further up the chain, send an email to all the top execs, tell them you will raise hell online. You will get results.

[oceanview]

Looking at the N20 schematics, there is the Purge air connection which connects to the crank shaft. It's located between the air filter and before the Turbo
http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=856528
page 101 (index 9 & 10)

In theory that's the only Point how dirt could come into the cranksahft from outside the engine. (As they blame it to the OP Injen Intake)

So this dirt could cause malfunction of the engines oil supply.
When they say the oil pump is broken, what exactly do they mean by that?

Assuming that the oil pump has a physical damage, I see this as a possible reason for the problem.

Blaming the problem to be caused by the Injen Intake sounds very strange.
The purge air connection is connected upwards. Dirt pieces can't "fall" into that pipe.
As it is just a vent, there is not much vacum (there is no pressure, because it's before the Turbo)

BMW looked for an excuse not to take action/responsibility and found one.

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by oceanview

Looking at the N20 schematics, there is the Purge air connection which connects to the crank shaft. It's located between the air filter and before the Turbo
http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=856528
page 101 (index 9 & 10)

In theory that's the only Point how dirt could come into the cranksahft from outside the engine. (As they blame it to the OP Injen Intake)

So this dirt could cause malfunction of the engines oil supply.
When they say the oil pump is broken, what exactly do they mean by that?

Assuming that the oil pump has a physical damage, I see this as a possible reason for the problem.

Blaming the problem to be caused by the Injen Intake sounds very strange.
The purge air connection is connected upwards. Dirt pieces can't "fall" into that pipe.
As it is just a vent, there is not much vacum (there is no pressure, because it's before the Turbo)

BMW looked for an excuse not to take action/responsibility and found one.

I wouldn't be so sure.

I just removed my injen intake today because I'm giving the car to my wife, and I found a decent amount of dirt in the pipes, all the way through the intake to the turbo inlet. And I don't normally drive through dusty areas either. And yes I'm sure I sealed it all the way and properly at all points. But somehow dirt got in.

After a couple thousand miles with dirt piling up in there, it's conceivable the scenario you outlined above could happen.

Needless to say the amount dirt I found and cleaned out scared the crap out of me that I decided to sell the intake instead of moving it to the new 228i I just bought.

[TurboM]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

I wouldn't be so sure.

I just removed my injen intake today because I'm giving the car to my wife, and I found a decent amount of dirt in the pipes, all the way through the intake to the turbo inlet. And I don't normally drive through dusty areas either. And yes I'm sure I sealed it all the way and properly at all points. But somehow dirt got in.

After a couple thousand miles with dirt piling up in there, it's conceivable the scenario you outlined above could happen.

Needless to say the amount dirt I found and cleaned out scared the crap out of me that I decided to sell the intake instead of moving it to the new 228i I just bought.

Dirt or oil residue? Oil residue is completely normal as the whole point of the that contraption is to use the vacuum generated by the intake to pull positive crankcase pressure/vapors (or blow-by) from the crankcase and recirculate it into the intake. This is mainly for emissions and causes a little bit of a mess in the intake track hence why a lot of people decide to bypass it and let the crankcase vent into the atmosphere.

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by TurboM

Dirt or oil residue? Oil residue is completely normal as the whole point of the that contraption is to use the vacuum generated by the intake to pull positive crankcase pressure/vapors (or blow-by) from the crankcase and recirculate it into the intake. This is mainly for emissions and causes a little bit of a mess in the intake track hence why a lot of people decide to bypass it and let the crankcase vent into the atmosphere.

I'm telling you it was straight up dirt/dust. There was a tiny bit of oil, which I know from my n54 is normal. But the amount of dirt was completely scary to me. Just happy to have sold off that intake

[oceanview]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

I'm telling you it was straight up dirt/dust. There was a tiny bit of oil, which I know from my n54 is normal. But the amount of dirt was completely scary to me. Just happy to have sold off that intake

There should really not be such oil/dust dirt in the system. That's why air filter naturally is an important unit.
However, there is also an Oil-Filter which should filter small and large parts.

The OP mentioned that the Oil-Pump is "broken" and I wonder what that means and which parts are broken.
From the Oil-Pump the Oil first gets pumped trough the Oil.Filter, which filters normally pretty everything.
http://www.synlube.com/oilfilters.htm

So if BMW says Air Filter caused damage, there are several ways to prove this is true or not.
- Make an Oil Analysis and see how much dirt is in it
- open the oil filter and se in what condition it is
- check what caused the damaged Oil-Pump
- check if the oil can flow normally, or if some Oil channels are closed with oil sump

Unfortunatelly the OP's car is not covered in warranty anymore. Even if he could proove, that not the air filter caused tha damage, he would still need goodwill from BMW that they would pay anything.