[bastula]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Does everywhere but the US get orange tail light indicators?

Yes, only the US and Canada have rear red turn signals.

[SoCali E36]

Originally Posted by lplevolved

This is such an ignorant comment First you own an F31 you cant possibly absolutely hate a car thats based on the one you own, and very very close design wise ie the front, the interior etc to yours

Second more ignorance, the VENT ACTUALLY WORKS and channels cold air to the brakes, this was demonstrated and explained hundreds of times here

it channels hot air out from the wheel well. Get your facts straight when bashing others' opinions.

[Falafel Combo]

Originally Posted by F32

The only thing that's odd to me is the level of hype this automatic tranny is getting. The marketting team has done a great job of not letting people know it still has a tq converter.

The marketing team can hype any product all they want ... Up until that product hits the shelves. Once it sells (you buy the car), it has to be good enough to sustain that hype, otherwise it will be just like any other product that flops. Well, I have my prefernces when it comes to auto VS manual transmissions (I ordered my f30 in auto - never again), but can tell you from my limited experience that the sport ZF8 in the f30 lives up to the marketing hype. I actually am convinced BMW has way undersold and over delivered in this case. Just a superb transmission all around and utilizes the n55 engine power band very nicely, in various driving modes.


I should note however, that I have no experience with SMG, dual clutch or any other auto transmission, so my expectations of the ZF8 may not have been as high as others.

[IancoleTX]

Originally Posted by Jason

Here's the M235i (wears M Sport aero kit) compared.

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=841137

Righto, I am pretty excited about it. Do you know when the 2 concept is slated to hit the public eye?

[mt1955]

Looks great ...

Originally Posted by zapp

here's another look at the 435i M (white color)

[kyang1225]

Looks nice.......I just wish those Exhaust Pipe tip can be a bit larger......

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by F32

The only thing that's odd to me is the level of hype this automatic tranny is getting. The marketting team has done a great job of not letting people know it still has a tq converter.

So what? LMAO.

[IB M]

Originally Posted by v1k1ng01

The new 4 series looks like a new 3 series coupe. It doesn't distinguish itself from it's 3 series predecessor or the F30 at all. I don't think the 4 series looks bad or dull, like many folks here have voiced, but I believe the changes they made to make it look different from the F30 ended up making it look less aggressive and less attractive then it's sibling. IMO they should have just made it a 3 series coupe and gave it the exact same body styling as the 3 series. as it stands my opinion is the F30 M-Sport is the best looking of the F3x generation vehicles.

+10

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by sparkyg

I think the E92 is a nicer looking car.

Not sure why I like it more.

S5 is a much better looker.

MSport 4 vs S5 is gonna be an ugly Audi win.

Not going to be surprised. If the 4 drives similar to the 3, the S5 is likely going to win as well since the S4 already wins in some H2H with the 335.

[mt1955]

Originally Posted by F32

The only thing that's odd to me is the level of hype this automatic tranny is getting. The marketting team has done a great job of not letting people know it still has a tq converter.

In this case I think the hype is well deserved. IMO BMW nailed it on this transmission and everyone who's either driven or owns a BMW with the 2tb option mostly agrees. Head down to your local dealer and get a test drive, only way to truly see if the hype is justified.

[tony20009]

You know folks talk about the differences between the regular car and the M-Sport car, but for the life of me, I don't see a whole lot of difference besides the color on the inside. I'm sure there are differences, but just glancing that the pics at the start of this thread and trying to remember what I saw in the recent Motortrend review, I couldn't tell you how they are different, even though the article calls the changes significant.

One thing I just noticed from this thread's opening pics is that the F32 looks considerably longer than the E92. I don't know if it's really all that much longer, but the pic makes it seem that way.

[IM2C]

The new 4 series looks like a new 3 series coupe. It doesn't distinguish itself from it's 3 series predecessor or the F30 at all. I don't think the 4 series looks bad or dull, like many folks here have voiced, but I believe the changes they made to make it look different from the F30 ended up making it look less aggressive and less attractive then it's sibling. IMO they should have just made it a 3 series coupe and gave it the exact same body styling as the 3 series. as it stands my opinion is the F30 M-Sport is the best looking of the F3x generation vehicles.

Amen.

[Van_bimmer]

There is just nothing special about this car... The concept version of this car made me jump out of my seat and say "I want it! It looks better than an Aston!" Then the production version came out and they dulled it right down. What happened!!? Boring. BMW should stick to designing concepts.

I hope BMW is following this forum... It's a HUGE bmw forum and so far there are 4 pages of posts of thier newest model with 90% of posters having negative comments.

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by Van_bimmer

There is just nothing special about this car... The concept version of this car made me jump out of my seat and say "I want it! It looks better than an Aston!" Then the production version came out and they dulled it right down. What happened!!? Boring. BMW should stick to designing concepts.

I hope BMW is following this forum... It's a HUGE bmw forum and so far there are 4 pages of posts of thier newest model with 90% of posters having negative comments.

The only relevant thing that was different in the concept car was the lights. So they didn't dull it down.

[E92Brembo]

I'm not married to a single brand. Seems like most of you guys are BMW all the way. I've had a few myself and loved the ones I've had but I don't like the F models so I'm not going to buy one...ever lol. Not gonna cry about it either. Just going to move on.
It does look bland as heck and the idea of adding on thousands of dollars in bmwP parts to make an already expensive car look good is ridiculous.

[Pukkas]

it looks dated already.. IMHO..

[paddyrx8]

Can't understand the lack of love for the 4-series M-sport. Firstly have seen it in the flesh its better looking than these pictures. It will look good on the road, trust me.

Owning a F30, M-sport in Estoril Blue I an happy that people are saying its better than the 4, looks wise. I just think in a few months many will say the 4-series is better looking, simply for the coupe profile.

Prefer the 19inch wheels on the F30 3-series Msport. The 19 inch on the 4 series look like the 18inch.

This is a BM forum - show some love and respect for the new 4-series.

[v1k1ng01]

Originally Posted by 寶馬.E90

Not going to be surprised. If the 4 drives similar to the 3, the S5 is likely going to win as well since the S4 already wins in some H2H with the 335.

The F32 is suppose to have a lot of performance buff's over the F30: Stiffer suspension, Chassis, Steering, better 0-60 and quater mile times, as well as a lower certer of gravity and an optional rear dif.

On paper the 435i should give a the S5 a run for it's money but on the track I dare say it would shame it.

I would also say the S4 is more compairable to the M135i since that's what road and track compaired it to.

[Jaguar]

Originally Posted by Pukkas

it looks dated already.. IMHO..

I want whatever drugs you're taking

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by paddyrx8

Can't understand the lack of love for the 4-series M-sport. Firstly have seen it in the flesh its better looking than these pictures. It will look good on the road, trust me.

Owning a F30, M-sport in Estoril Blue I an happy that people are saying its better than the 4, looks wise. I just think in a few months many will say the 4-series is better looking, simply for the coupe profile.

Prefer the 19inch wheels on the F30 3-series Msport. The 19 inch on the 4 series look like the 18inch.

This is a BM forum - show some love and respect for the new 4-series.

I've driven a LOT of Audis in the last decade. IMHO, Audi doesn't deserve to be in the same category with BMW and Mercedes. The build quality, the materials are always premium, but underneath, it doesn't feel premium in any way. (Except R8)

[WilliCO]

Originally Posted by paddyrx8

Can't understand the lack of love for the 4-series M-sport. Firstly have seen it in the flesh its better looking than these pictures. It will look good on the road, trust me.

Owning a F30, M-sport in Estoril Blue I an happy that people are saying its better than the 4, looks wise. I just think in a few months many will say the 4-series is better looking, simply for the coupe profile.

Prefer the 19inch wheels on the F30 3-series Msport. The 19 inch on the 4 series look like the 18inch.

This is a BM forum - show some love and respect for the new 4-series.

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

I've driven a LOT of Audis in the last decade. IMHO, Audi doesn't deserve to be in the same category with BMW and Mercedes. The build quality, the materials are always premium, but underneath, it doesn't feel premium in any way. (Except R8)

I find myself wanting to like the S5 a little better than the 435 also. But honestly, I think a lot of it stems from the fact that we all have seen S5s coming and going on the roads, and almost all of us have only seen a 435 in pictures. None of the current BMWs look that great in photos, if you ask me.

This comparison thread between the S5 and the F32 is helpful. When you see pictures of the two cars compared side by side, you can see how some of the sex lines on the F32 will really translate - it does look like a cooler car in these pictures, IMO. I just can't wait to see one in person to test the theory.

[s2kroma]

Originally Posted by rje

I agree, I'm disappointed how this car looks. It looks great when they showed the concept car. But I'm sorry to admit it looks like the A5/S5 is still better looking.

Exactly what I thought. The new 4 looks awful. Will need to for another vehicle. That might be a new A5/S5