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      04-01-2012, 01:38 AM   #23
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MotorTrend Magazine says:
G35 is dead in the middle of the pack (qualifying it as a boring car)
Volvo (being the most powerful car) is ranked second after the BMW (surprisingly for a Volvo)
F30 is First


Car and Driver Magazine says:
G35 is fun to drive (pratically taking the "fun to drive" award from the BMW MVP)
Volve is ranked last of 5 cars (despite being the most powerful car)
F30 is First


It might be confusing to us all how the two magazines differ on the classment, as well as the F30 review, but
All it matters to me is : F30 is First on both comparo.... despite all the criticism and negative points of this car...

And the conclusion i am drawing out of those reviews: BMW F30 has the best compromise between a boring car and a fun car to drive... the polyvalence of the F30 is what earns him it's praises... the ability to adapt to any situation, not just stuck in one type/style of driving...

This real comparo will be when the ATS comes out...
... there will be another rematch... but by that time, i would have gotten my 335i back to the west coast, and i wouldn't care anymore as i would be so with it !

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This real comparo will be when the ATS comes out...
The eye wants something as well and the ATS lost big time in that sense alone. I wouldn't even consider the ATS if it was a 1000 times better car than the F30.
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      04-01-2012, 02:45 AM   #25
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The eye wants something as well and the ATS lost big time in that sense alone. I wouldn't even consider the ATS if it was a 1000 times better car than the F30.
I wanted to sound as impartial, non-bias, and considerate of other cars as much as possible... but like you said... even if ATS was to become king of the hill, i would still be sold by the BMW...
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I wanted to sound as impartial, non-bias, and considerate of other cars as much as possible... but like you said... even if ATS was to become king of the hill, i would still be sold by the BMW...
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      04-01-2012, 07:12 AM   #27
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Mass is up by 133 lb??? I thought this gen was lighter.
In Euro base specs, yes (BMW even claimed so). Not so in US base specs (F30 is heavier, like the F10 N20 is also heavier than N52).
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Here's my takeaway from the article:

The F30 328i loses 30 feet in braking performance as compared the the '06 325i (my car)

C and D basically said the E90 would have beaten the F30 and go find one while you can.

Sad.
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Here's my takeaway from the article:

The F30 328i loses 30 feet in braking performance as compared the the '06 325i (my car)

C and D basically said the E90 would have beaten the F30 and go find one while you can.

Sad.
Why are so many E90 drivers so bitter tword this car. My F30 is so much better of a car all around than my previous E92.

Enjoy your daily 70-0 stops.
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Why are so many E90 drivers so bitter tword this car. My F30 is so much better of a car all around than my previous E92.

Enjoy your daily 70-0 stops.
This may be but the soul of the car is gone. Give me back the hydraulic steering, take away the ridiculous start / stop and give me a DCT option via a 335IS of some sort and I am back in an F30. I will not and cannot give into to that 8 Speed tranny which simple has too many gears and a steering system that gives me no enjoyment in driving the car.
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This may be but the soul of the car is gone. Give me back the hydraulic steering, take away the ridiculous start / stop and give me a DCT option via a 335IS of some sort and I am back in an F30. I will not and cannot give into to that 8 Speed tranny which simple has too many gears and a steering system that gives me no enjoyment in driving the car.
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having test driven an f30, I actually think the 8at is great. my issue with BMW in general is that it has become more of a luxury brand rather than a sports brand. I think introducing the ///M performance line will recreate the core sports values, but u will have to pay dearly for it.
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They had the Pirelli Cinturato P7 all season tires on the test car.

I don't understand why they would have a test car with all season tires.
The sport package cars definitely come with summer performance tires and not the all seasons on this test car. I saw a post during the test drive period at Laguna Seca that a couple test drivers had all seasons on their sport package test cars. I suspect in all the tire replacements/switching during worldwide testing of these cars somebody in the BMW garage mounted the wrong tires on some of these press cars.
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sportline cars are coming with those awful goodyaer and pirelli all seasons

thankfully mine came with the contis
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My F30 is so much better of a car all around than my previous E92.
Agreed. When I read some of these negative posts I almost think they are talking about a different car because there is no way (other than engine) that my 2007 335i was better than this car...no way.

I also remember reading similar type mag reviews when the E90 came out.
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This is pretty much what I expected from C&D. Whatever one may feel about their priorities, it is still one of the more consistent mags out there. And on that note, I don't think any other magazine in the US cares more about the elusive and subjective art of steering feel. So I would've been very shocked if C&D let this one slip without bitching.

They did still give the nod to the 3er, which many non-BMW owners would take as yet another proof that they are on BMW's payroll. I think that's non-sense, and in reality, it's because the A4 is getting old and the G is very old.

I think it's pretty clear that the F30 is a clear step forward in most areas, while a clear step backward in a couple of areas that some enthusiasts care deeply about.

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In the end, it finished only five points behind the BMW. Could the previous 3-series have beaten this Audi? Probably. But we’d wager that the old 3-series might also have beaten the new 3-series.
I can understand the above statement, as well as many happy owners saying the F30 is superior to the E90. People have very different definitions of what constitutes signal and what constitutes noise when it comes to "sportiness".
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Why are so many E90 drivers so bitter tword this car. My F30 is so much better of a car all around than my previous E92.

Enjoy your daily 70-0 stops.
Seriously. I feel like everyone has to bash it, because they actually made it better. It's like the rich kid at school that everyone has to make fun of because they're jealous. I guess the new 3 is so good that people are trying their damnedest to find SOMETHING wrong with it. It was the same way with the previous car and as soon as the hype dies down a bit, people will recognize the merit where it is due.
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This is pretty much what I expected from C&D. Whatever one may feel about their priorities, it is still one of the more consistent mags out there. And on that note, I don't think any other magazine in the US cares more about the elusive and subjective art of steering feel. So I would've been very shocked if C&D let this one slip without bitching.

They did still give the nod to the 3er, which many non-BMW owners would take as yet another proof that they are on BMW's payroll. I think that's non-sense, and in reality, it's because the A4 is getting old and the G is very old.

I think it's pretty clear that the F30 is a clear step forward in most areas, while a clear step backward in a couple of areas that some enthusiasts care deeply about.



I can understand the above statement, as well as many happy owners saying the F30 is superior to the E90. People have very different definitions of what constitutes signal and what constitutes noise when it comes to "sportiness".
Nicely put and well reasoned post. Also, if the F30 had better tires it would have done even better in this comparison test. I think BMW is making a mistake fitting low rolling resistance tires on the sport models of the F30 but I guess it's the same reason that there is stop/start and other fuel economy enhancement features.
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Agreed. When I read some of these negative posts I almost think they are talking about a different car because there is no way (other than engine) that my 2007 335i was better than this car...no way.

I also remember reading similar type mag reviews when the E90 came out.
I'm sorry, but I disagree wholeheartedly.
I own an E90 and drove the F30 today.

It handles well, but not better than the E90, the steering is actually less direct and less precise.
The interior is a let-down as far as I'm concerned.
There are even more plastics than before, I just hate the "iPad" screen (looks like a toy and is not well-integrated) and all the lines and bends make me feel seasick.
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Nicely put and well reasoned post. Also, if the F30 had better tires it would have done even better in this comparison test. I think BMW is making a mistake fitting low rolling resistance tires on the sport models of the F30 but I guess it's the same reason that there is stop/start and other fuel economy enhancement features.
Thanks. I agree BMW really shot itself in the foot with the tire choice. The chassis I'm sure can handle a whole lot more grip.

My personal take on this is that, compared to the new 5er, X3, and Z4, all of which got seriously more luxurious and seriously less engaging, the F30 really turned out to be much truer to its "core" values than I expected. I suspect by the time LCI rolls around, even the EPS will improve substantially.

However, the way this car is marketed/configured at the last stage (such as the marketing emphasis on the gadget/fuel economy, the separation of lines, OEM tires, etc) again reminds me that BMW continues its push to become the new/better Mercedes. BMW started out as a maker of non-harsh, non-cheap driver's cars. I believe it's slowly transforming itself into a maker of non-boring, non-old-people luxury cars. Not the same thing.
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Thanks. I agree BMW really shot itself in the foot with the tire choice. The chassis I'm sure can handle a whole lot more grip.

My personal take on this is that, compared to the new 5er, X3, and Z4, all of which got seriously more luxurious and seriously less engaging, the F30 really turned out to be much truer to its "core" values than I expected. I suspect by the time LCI rolls around, even the EPS will improve substantially.

However, the way this car is marketed/configured at the last stage (such as the marketing emphasis on the gadget/fuel economy, the separation of lines, OEM tires, etc) again reminds me that BMW continues its push to become the new/better Mercedes. BMW started out as a maker of non-harsh, non-cheap driver's cars. I believe it's slowly transforming itself into a maker of non-boring, non-old-people luxury cars. Not the same thing.
I agree and I think it has something to do with BMW's growing market in China and other developing markets where luxury overcomes sport. I think BMW has stopped engineering cars with solely the Euro market (which leans toward sport) in mind and is now taking in the entire world, as its world wide market has grown tremendously over the past 10 years. The F10 is a prime example. Another similar example is how VW thinks the US and China prefer soft and boring over sport, thus, they gave us the US/China Passat which is far less engaging than its Euro counterpart. But BMW needs to readdress it's core values because I'll be hopping on the Audi train soon which is now becoming the BMW of the 21st century. Sad I know
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I'm sorry, but I disagree wholeheartedly.
I own an E90 and drove the F30 today.

It handles well, but not better than the E90, the steering is actually less direct and less precise.
The interior is a let-down as far as I'm concerned.
There are even more plastics than before, I just hate the "iPad" screen (looks like a toy and is not well-integrated) and all the lines and bends make me feel seasick.
I agree with you. After driving the F30 sport with a stick I was quite happy to get back into my E90 with real steering feel. When I asked the salesman about variable steering he knew nothing about it. Lame.
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They had the Pirelli Cinturato P7 all season tires on the test car.

I don't understand why they would have a test car with all season tires.
As soon as I pick mine up Im putting Pilot Super Sports on, then getting some Blizteks for the winter.
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Didn't the Audi only loose to the BMW due to MPG? If they want to compare apples to apples they should wait and compare the X-drive to the Audi. Had they done that the Audi would have won according to total points.

Not good considering the A4 is ~5years old.
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