[SickFinga]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

192ps 320i, 275-280ps 330i 365ps 340i sound pretty even to me.

I was referring to this post

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...0&postcount=18


Also, where is the 192ps figure coming from?

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by SickFinga

I was referring to this post

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...0&postcount=18


Also, where is the 192ps figure coming from?

The mini cooper s have 192ps and the b48 320i should have about the same power figures as the mini. This make sense since the 20d b47 have 190ps.

[Pauleebe]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Yay, more clueless journalism!

Here's what's happening with the European F30 at LCI:

318i: B38B15M0. See the new Cooper for performance specs, though in longitudinal application it'll probably have a couple more hp). Possible engine intro in March, pre-LCI.
320i eff: N13B16M0. Who cares what it is.
320i: B48B20M0. Same as 318i, but Cooper S instead of base Cooper.
328i: old N20, likely for countries, where 330i won't be sold until later (similar to the U.S. situation).
330i: B48B20O0. Unless BMW decides to go public sooner, we'll know its specs when JCW is released early next year.
340i: B58B30M0. Just wait.

316d: B47D20K0. Pre-LCI intro in March possible.
318d: B47D20U0. Whatever.
320d: B47D20O0. The 190hp engine already in use in recent European models. Also as an eff model.
325d: N47D20T1. Will be replaced with B47D20T0 in March 2016.
330d: N57D30O1
335d: N57D30T1

330e: Something something hybrid, delayed intro in November.

Bottom line: LCI 335i WILL NOT EXIST.

Who died and made you king of knowing everything? Most of us are making educated guesses, but in reality we are all equally clueless as to BMW's actual plans. BMW can do as they please and the truth is none of us know for sure.

I think the LCI 335i will die in the states, but survive in other markets perhaps.

Originally Posted by BMW M3 CRT

Nice list, but you forget the 325i, which will come for sure.

An B48 .35i with 306PS is also in the plans, but mostly for the fwd plattforms!

Just because there is a B48 for other chassis at a certain power level, doesn't mean the F30 with a B48 will make that much/little power. This is similar to how the B48 is in the 2 series AT but makes less than the projected 270HP in the F30.

Originally Posted by BMW M3 CRT

Do you really think (know?) that BMW will leave this huge gap between the 192PS 320i and the 272PS 330i without taking the logical solution to fill this gap with an 325i with the same 231PS B48 allready found in the 225i AT ... and you realy think the JCW will get 272 PS and not the much more likely 231HP from the same .25i B48 !?

I agree that they cannot leave a large gap like that in states, where the 320 makes 180HP and the 330 is projected to make 260-70HP (and will probably be more expensive). The 200-260HP is a big market for the sport sedan market, so shafting it entirely would be a bad idea. This is why the 328 with 240HP has done so well, I think. So there will have to be a 325 or the 320 will get bumped.

Originally Posted by SickFinga

272ps is not happening on the F30 330i. The gaps between the 320i-330i-340i will be pretty much even.

I agree about even gaps, so how does the 340 have 330HP, and the 320 have 180HP, but the 330 not have ~260HP? Your post contradicts itself.

Originally Posted by MikeTerp

Do you know why the B48 is being delayed a year for the 330i? Since this engine is available now (Mini, etc) I was guessing that it was some sort of production capacity limitation, or something like that. Otherwise, unless BMW just has a lot of N20's they are trying to use up, it seems strange to delay the new engine.

It's not being delayed, I think that's just magazine drama/BS. At least for the states, we'll get the 330 and 340 the same year, so if not summer 2015, then summer 2016. This would be unwise and unnecessary though, as you stated both engines seem to be ready.

[Paigey]

365? I don't see that happening for the 340i. 320-330.

[SickFinga]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

The mini cooper s have 192ps and the b48 320i should have about the same power figures as the mini. This make sense since the 20d b47 have 190ps.

I see. Well it appears that F30 will have a lower output.

Originally Posted by dwalls90

Who died and made you king of knowing everything? Most of us are making educated guesses,

He is not guessing, that's the difference.

Originally Posted by dwalls90

I agree about even gaps, so how does the 340 have 330HP, and the 320 have 180HP, but the 330 not have ~260HP? Your post contradicts itself.

Well, since my post never mentioned 260hp figure, I don't see how it contradicts itself.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

192ps 320i, 275-280ps 330i 365ps 340i sound pretty even to me.

You can make any sequence of three numbers look even, if you're free to invent two of them.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by dwalls90

Who died and made you king of knowing everything? Most of us are making educated guesses, but in reality we are all equally clueless as to BMW's actual plans. BMW can do as they please and the truth is none of us know for sure.

You're funny.

(On the other hand, this forum's software doesn't put the ability to search for a user's previous posts front and center, so such a reply shouldn't be unexpected.)

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by MikeTerp

Do you know why the B48 is being delayed a year for the 330i? Since this engine is available now (Mini, etc) I was guessing that it was some sort of production capacity limitation, or something like that. Otherwise, unless BMW just has a lot of N20's they are trying to use up, it seems strange to delay the new engine.

It's a different engine. Yes, it's a B48, but a different B48. Why this is happening, I don't know. Emissions or QC are two of the possible reasons.

[Stein]

Although I doubt 360hp will happen, Mercedes C450 AMG Sport will replace the C400 and have 367hp, food for thought.

[BimmerMat135]

I was looking a video of the mini cooper s seem like the redline is around 6500rpm. I wonder if it will be the same for the b48 and b58 in the 3 serie.

[300hp]

Originally Posted by Stein

Although I doubt 360hp will happen, Mercedes C450 AMG Sport will replace the C400 and have 367hp, food for thought.

http://m.motortrend.com/wot/1412_mer...n_detroit.html

Mercedes line up will be

C300
C400
C450 AMG Sport

Bmw seems to have accepted the challenge and are going

330i
340i (guessing 300-330hp)
340i mperformance

The 340i mperformance is the one whose engine is being discussed in this thread.

[BMW M3 CRT]

If the 320i comes with 192PS below the 200PS mark and the new 330I goes into the 250-300PS sektor (272PS was quotesd from different source more than on time!) it makes absolutly no sence to leave the very important (for EU) 200-250PS sektor free, when you have an perfect fiting .25i wíth 231PS allready in the portfolio.

But it true, that the .35i with 306PS is an luxury problem for the 3er series, this engine is more important for the coming US premier X1

[Stein]

Originally Posted by 300hp

http://m.motortrend.com/wot/1412_mer...n_detroit.html

Mercedes line up will be

C300
C400
C450 AMG Sport

Bmw seems to have accepted the challenge and are going

330i
340i (guessing 300-330hp)
340i mperformance

The 340i mperformance is the one whose engine is being discussed in this thread.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/c-whats...oupe-and-more/

In regards to the C450: "Here’s the kicker: It will supplant the C400 completely after a year on the market."

[300hp]

Originally Posted by Stein

http://blog.caranddriver.com/c-whats...oupe-and-more/

In regards to the C450: "Heres the kicker: It will supplant the C400 completely after a year on the market."

Interesting let's see if it plays out like that

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by 300hp

The 340i mperformance is the one whose engine is being discussed in this thread.

Just one problem here: there's a regular 340i and nothing else.

[SamS]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Just one problem here: there's a regular 340i and nothing else.

Would I be smart to bet the 340i has 340HP?

[300hp]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Just one problem here: there's a regular 340i and nothing else.

I agree that that's one possibility since nothing is confirmed yet. I was just putting forward what I think will happen based on what Mercedes is doing

C300/328i
C400/340i stand trim
C450 AMG Sport/340i mperformance

This is just a theory based on:
1) there is a HUGE market for the C400/340i (@C400 hp)
2) the first post states BMW is trying to bridge the gap between the 335i and the M3/4, it does not say they are running away from their current setup, just trying to add something to bridge the gap. At least that's my understanding.
3) the Germans are known for nickel and diming and the model of offering a base 340i at current 335I prices to compete with the C400 and then asking for more money to get you 365hp seems to be consistent with nickel and diming folks. Mercedes will most likely do the same with the C450 ask for more money than the C400 and less than the C63.

The fantasy of getting 365hp from a German manufacturer at current 335i or C400 pricing is not something I am willing to subscribe to right now. However everyone is speculating at this stage and I like speculating

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by SamS

Would I be smart to bet the 340i has 340HP?

Depends on what the other guy bets on.

[300hp]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Depends on what the other guy bets on.

I would like to bet 340i in stnd trim at 330, current ppk is 35hp so that gels well with the engine being discussed here at 365hp. How do we administer this. $100/person. You have to be within 5hp to win

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

The new (G15) 6 Series' 3.0L 6 cyl engine is rated at 347HP.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

The new (G15) 6 Series' 3.0L 6 cyl engine is rated at 347HP.

That was another bad source.

[Pauleebe]

If the 340i has a PPK or M340i model, it will cost virtually the same as the M3 with specc'd.

BMW isn't stupid.