[cmk227]

Took my wife's X5 for service and was given a 335d as a loaner. I am extremely impressed with the torque the car has and would like to consider a F30 diesel if available. Any news if available would be greatly appreciated.

[E90Fleet]

Europe will get the bigger Diesels later ( maybe from September)
USA will only get them later due to the bad quality diesel in the USA and emissions regulations requiring changes to be made from the euro versions.

[matt_435xi]

Originally Posted by cmk227

Took my wife's X5 for service and was given a 335d as a loaner. I am extremely impressed with the torque the car has and would like to consider a F30 diesel if available. Any news if available would be greatly appreciated.

At NAIAS BMW executives said the hybrid 3 series is the replacement for the diesel in the USA, since diesels still do not sell well here.

[bimmerjph]

Originally Posted by matt_335Ci

At NAIAS BMW executives said the hybrid 3 series is the replacement for the diesel in the USA, since diesels still do not sell well here.

I thought the 335d sold fairly well?

Personally I don't think the two cars would overlap. A hybrid buyer is going to buy a hybrid. And a diesel buyer will buy a diesel.

[matt_435xi]

Originally Posted by bimmerjph

I thought the 335d sold fairly well?

Personally I don't think the two cars would overlap. A hybrid buyer is going to buy a hybrid. And a diesel buyer will buy a diesel.

"BMW cancels the 335 diesel for the F30 3 series generation in favor of a hybrid model, the 2012 BMW ActiveHybrid 3. The ActiveHybrid 3 will have an N55 six cylinder in addition to a 55 horsepower electric motor. We hope it falls on its face just like the X6 and we get our diesel back."

[bimmerjph]

hmm that sucks

[raleedy]

I don't think a diesel like the 335d makes sense — much more expensive than the 328i and no advantages of performance or economy. A 320d would be a completely different thing, though,and I suspect there would be a reasonable market for it at prices more or less comparable to the 328i.

[omg618]

Originally Posted by raleedy

I don't think a diesel like the 335d makes sense — much more expensive than the 328i and no advantages of performance or economy. A 320d would be a completely different thing, though,and I suspect there would be a reasonable market for it at prices more or less comparable to the 328i.

-amen

[E90Fleet]

Originally Posted by raleedy

I don't think a diesel like the 335d makes sense — much more expensive than the 328i and no advantages of performance or economy. A 320d would be a completely different thing, though,and I suspect there would be a reasonable market for it at prices more or less comparable to the 328i.

Performance of the 320d is quite inferior to the 328i, so its 11% cheaper here than the 328i.

Its comparable to the 320i, except for in gear acceleration

[PrinceBarin]

Originally Posted by E90Fleet

Performance of the 320d is quite inferior to the 328i, so its 11% cheaper here than the 328i.

Its comparable to the 320i, except for in gear acceleration

Could you elaborate on where the superiority lies? I don't doubt it btw but, as you say, in-gear acceleration of the 320d is comparable to the 328i which is subjectively how many people will judge 'performance'. I can see that the 328i sustains it torque band for longer and has a higher power output but are there other differences? Thanks.

[djaxy]

hey,

drove 550km with an efficient dynamics f30 and i have to say its quite amazing not a race car but she moves adequate if you kick down . its a modern line with oyster leather and the structure wood interior and sport automatic. 5,1 l/100km on short trips and 4,7l/100km on longer trips. the f30 is an amazing car and the bright interior makes it a great pleasure to drive.

[djaxy]

picture ->

[E90Fleet]

Originally Posted by PrinceBarin

Could you elaborate on where the superiority lies? I don't doubt it btw but, as you say, in-gear acceleration of the 320d is comparable to the 328i which is subjectively how many people will judge 'performance'. I can see that the 328i sustains it torque band for longer and has a higher power output but are there other differences? Thanks.

F30
320i,320d ED,320d,328i

0-100km/h 7.3 8.0 7.5 5.9 (0-62mph)
0-1000m 27.6 28.7 27.7 25.4 (0-0.62miles)
80-120km/h in 4th 7.4 6.7 5.9 5.4 ( 50-75mph )
80-120km/h in 5th 9.0 9.1 7.5 6.9 ( 50-75mph )

328i easily outperforms it
320i is close to 320d efficient dynamics (320d ED) in gear but beats it from standstill

One thing I dont like about the 320d is it really sounds like a agricultural vehicle.

320d also usually has lower spec than 328i and has smaller brakes and driveshafts.

[Feanor]

Originally Posted by E90Fleet

F30
One thing I dont like about the 320d is it really sounds like a agricultural vehicle.

Moreso than the E90 version?

[PrinceBarin]

Originally Posted by E90Fleet

One thing I dont like about the 320d is it really sounds like a agricultural vehicle.

This is true, although to be fair, it sounds somewhat better at cruising speeds.

Thanks for the info although, if we're going to play Top Trumps, I think it's only fair to include mpg figures too!

320i: 44.8 (47.1)
320d ED: 68.9 (68.9)
320d: 61.4 (62.8)
328i: 44.1 (44.8)

[Feanor]

Originally Posted by PrinceBarin

This is true, although to be fair, it sounds somewhat better at cruising speeds.

Thanks for the info although, if we're going to play Top Trumps, I think it's only fair to include mpg figures too!

320i: 44.8 (47.1)
320d ED: 68.9 (68.9)
320d: 61.4 (62.8)
328i: 44.1 (44.8)

Quite.

In fact I wondered about getting the 328i as it doesn't cost much more than the 320d, and the fuel economy figures on the 328i appear impressive. And, since I got about 30miles per UK gallon from my 2006 2.5L Z4, and since the official figures appear to overestimate real world driving by about 10mpg, I figured I could live with about 35mpg UK from such a fun engine.

But we seem to be getting real-world reports of less than 25 mpg UK from the 328i and I simply couldn't justify an engine that uses TWICE as much fuel as well as costing a lot more for insurance and needing loads spending on spark plugs ever 30k miles etc.

[maswastage]

Originally Posted by raleedy

I don't think a diesel like the 335d makes sense — much more expensive than the 328i and no advantages of performance or economy. A 320d would be a completely different thing, though,and I suspect there would be a reasonable market for it at prices more or less comparable to the 328i.

The e90 335d is almost 7 years old, so it's hardly fair to compare it to a brand new 328i. Nevertheless, the 7 year old 335d is slightly faster (according to motor trend and insideline) and slightly more economical in the real world (based on the real world mpg thread in this very forum), despite weighing more, being less aerodynamic, and having an older 6 speed transmission. And optioned similarly, the new 328i costs as much as the old D did as well.

So I fail to see the argument that a new f30 335d would not make sense; with the advances in technology, it would be head and shoulders above the 328i in fuel economy, and would also perform more on par with a 335i than a 328i. :

[raleedy]

Originally Posted by maswastage

The e90 335d is almost 7 years old, so it's hardly fair to compare it to a brand new 328i. Nevertheless, the 7 year old 335d is slightly faster (according to motor trend and insideline) and slightly more economical in the real world (based on the real world mpg thread in this very forum), despite weighing more, being less aerodynamic, and having an older 6 speed transmission. And optioned similarly, the new 328i costs as much as the old D did as well.

So I fail to see the argument that a new f30 335d would not make sense; with the advances in technology, it would be head and shoulders above the 328i in fuel economy, and would also perform more on par with a 335i than a 328i. :

Those are good points about the comparison, especially the transmission. But the 335d isn't that old — it's only been on the market for maybe three years — and it sells in the US at a hefty premium (BMW's effort to capture the federal credit for itself, I guess). I'm suggesting the EPA ratings on the F30 328i will make it hard for BMW to engage in that kind of pricing strategy for a 335d. In any case, I predict we won't see an F30 diesel in the US unless it's the 320 or equivalent.

[maswastage]

Originally Posted by raleedy

Those are good points about the comparison, especially the transmission. But the 335d isn't that old — it's only been on the market for maybe three years — and it sells in the US at a hefty premium (BMW's effort to capture the federal credit for itself, I guess)

You're right, the 335d has only been around in the US for 3 years, but the same car has been around in Europe since late 2006. I was just pointing out that the technology it uses to achieve it's economy/performance, the M57 engine, the E90 chassis, and the ZF 6 speed transmission, is more than half a decade old.

[raleedy]

I must have missed something. I didn't realize the 35d engine had been in production that long.

[cmk227]

Originally Posted by matt_335Ci

"BMW cancels the 335 diesel for the F30 3 series generation in favor of a hybrid model, the 2012 BMW ActiveHybrid 3. The ActiveHybrid 3 will have an N55 six cylinder in addition to a 55 horsepower electric motor. We hope it falls on its face just like the X6 and we get our diesel back."

I am not buying a hybrid. If you're eco friendly buy a diesel. Make them affordable and you will see them take off.

[smallseafishie]

I'd love to get a 320d F30 or F31...

Please F31 320d in the US...