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The S4 fells like a big fat pig lol. I test drove it before i got the F30 and the price are more on the M3 side and performance is the same as E90 but its heavier than the F30 the engine specs are not impressive for the price. I didnt like the way the car made turn.s. The gadgets are not as cool as the F30. However the Next Gen S4 is coming in october i think you might want to wait until then. The only thing about the S4 i like is the Astestics interior is clean and nice. The outside is MEan looking and love the LED
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the 335 w/ m-sport package is the direct rival to the S4 I think the only reason why BMW is pushing this "M-performance" because they need to appeal to a bigger audience. Like Audi has with the "S" branding; the "S" cars have minor tweaks over their "normal line" counter parts. ie. aero kit, more horsepower and interior trim.
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While I still don't like the idea of "///M Performance models", given the info on the first ones to come out, it sounds like they are deserving of some kind of intermediary designation between the regular series cars and the M cars. Given that M-Sport used to only be cosmetic (not sure if that's still the case with the new "M Sport Suspension" on the F30 335i M-Sport), I really didn't count that as a step up in performance (despite all the ///M badges in the interior). I hate to admit this, but the rumored F30 ///M335i is making me wonder about my E92 M3 order...
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02-27-2012, 07:01 PM | #26 |
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m335 would probably be starting at 50k if the next me will be 60k
http://www.roadandtrack.com/auto-sho...-m135i-concept based on this m135i, i would guess the m335i gets 330/330 and the reg 335 does not get a power bump
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335i's here start in the mid-50's (and almost nobody orders them stripper), and M3s usually cost $100,000 (with taxes) once all is said and done in Canada. Since M-Sport is usually close to 60K, I'm thinking the ///M335i will probably start at least mid-60's here, north of the US border. EDIT: Oh well, it's still better than having to pay $150,000 for an M3 in Germany (where they are made!)
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335i 8 speed: 3594 lbs. The S4 feels heavy because it is. The 2013 S4 is the LCI version not a next gen as the B8 S4 was all new for 2009.
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You're entering the M3 territory and might as well go for that. I guess my safest option is the 335i M Sport but I'm going to wait to see what the M335i turns out to be. Should be a really exciting new car...
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EDIT: So I added M-Sport to the 335 x-drive coupe (can't add it to the RWD 335i coupe anymore... but at least the price difference with x-drive isn't big) Without anything else, it's already $59,500.... I'm thinking ///M335i will start between 65-70K Yeah, it's close to an M3. But once you start adding stuff on an M, you're into the mid-80s. Unless you get a (relative) stripper.
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every1 speaking so highly of the 335 M sport and I agree but does anyone know timing of its release? I am thinking of getting a new car and it kills me that every single BMW vehicle has an M sport package available except the new 335. Any1 know timing? |
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I personally detest heavy cars, with a self imposed weight limit of 3,300 pounds. It would take a great car to make me overlook that, and while I've driven and enjoy the S4, it just isn't great. To be honest, the E90 never did much for me either, so I'm uncertain if I'd really like the F30, but suspect the wife will, the 1er is almost out of warranty and while it's fun, the back seat is tough to get in/out and out of warranty expenses seem a little daunting. |
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The S4 Competes Directly with a 335i
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The S4 does compete directly with a Sports Package or M Package 335i. If you add in AWD to the 335i it is even closer. Personally, If I would choose an '13 S4 over a '13 335i M Package, but I would choose a '13 328i over a '13 A4. The S4 is just an amazing car all around IMHO. Interior is amazing, car handles great, and the lights are just unmistakeable. Another thing to consider, there are going to be a lot more 335i on the road vs an S4. Lastly, Audi allows you to add in Carbon Fiber Inlays for an additional $500. The Carbon inlays will make the car pop. I just came out of an Audi S5 and I am extremely interested in the new F30 Coupe. I really hope real photos will surface soon. |
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As a guy who drives these cars regularly I would suggest you stop reading the fanboy garbage, drive both and buy the one that turns yer crank more. Both are fantastic cars.. If you really want to confuse the issue drive the new C350 as well... The latest recarnation can finaly be mentioned in the same breathe with these two great cars yer looking at... And Canadian pricing wise competes extremely aggressively..
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S4 over F30 335i
I had an 07 E90 335i with N54 for 5 years...thought I would get the new F30 335i....but was very disappointed with the N55.
Test drove the S4 and it was no contest...the supercharhed 333 hp in S4 is just superior to the N55 in the 335i in every way shape and form. I just could not go from the N54 to the N55 and be happy about it...but the sweet 333hp in the S4 sure put a smile on my face. It's Faster than an F30 335i (yes that is important), better cabin finish, better sound system (yes B&O beats HK by a mile), and is much more exclusive than a BMW 335i. Let's face it we all see a half dozen 335is every day...the passing of an S4 or S5 on the road is an event. Go for Power...go for Speed....go for EXCLUSIVITY....go S4. You will be very happy you did...trust me. |
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I am thinking the M335i will keep the N54 engine with the overboost and extra cooling that is available in the current 335is model...That would leave the N55 engine to the regular 335i...
Either way with a tune and supporting mods these BMW engines really open up... N55: Modified+Meth N55's are ~400whp & 455wtq http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15476 B8 S4 Modified+100 octane are ~400whp & 385wtq http://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_up...tfsi_b8s4.html BMW has ~40hp advantage (weighing ~400lbs less) BMW has 70wtq advantage BMW costs less |
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I dunno about Canadian prices but currently the 2012 F30 335i sport line is only about a $1000 difference in price when compared to a similarly 2012 S4. For a $1000 the S4 is the better car. The S4 is faster and grips the road better but the 3er is more nimble. For a nicely equipped 2013 F30 335i M sport is about $4000 less than a similarly equipped LCI 2013 S4. Audi has really increased the cost of options on these cars for MY 13 making it not worth to me. They're probably doing the same as far as prices in Canada as well. Who ever said that the S4 is a M3 competitor is smoking something. RS Audis go against ///M cars and Audi S cars go against a BMW ending in 35i.
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I think when people talk S4 vs M3 they are talking B8 S4 vs E46 M3. Both rate at 333 HP.
A few years back...the S4 did match to the M3. Then Audi went to the RS4 with 400+hp. BMW followed with the V8 E90/E92 M3 with V8 and 400 hp and boosted the 330i to the 335i to match up against the S4. So at a certain point in car evolution the S4 (which use to be a V8) went straight up against the E46 M3. But the M3 went North to fight the RS4 and the S4 South to fight the 335i. Up until then it was always S4 vs M3 head to head because the normally aspirated straight 6 in 330i was no match for the V8 in the S4. The only thing BMW had to match the S4 was the 333 HP E46 M3. BTW the E46 M3 blew the V8 S4 away... But give Audi credit....they kept going back to the drawing board with sharper and sharper pencils....meanwhile I think BMW got complacent. The new F30 335i is just not enough. |
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