Lexus's desperate comparison vid of the 435 vs RC350

335BOY · 01-09-2015, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by snowghost

Based on my experience with Japanese cars they over inflate their numbers. BMW under-inflates. But if that's how BMW wants to do it, then 306 to 300 comparison is valid.

Youve dynoed a bunch of Japanese and German cars?

snowghost · 01-09-2015, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 335BOY

Youve dynoed a bunch of Japanese and German cars?

I read a lot. Maybe you haven't.

jair_onsa · 01-09-2015, 12:59 PM

I can see how this ad could get some people to buy a lexus, however, if you are buying a bmw in the first place, money should not be a great issue, one can always buy something cheaper and it will still take you from point A to B, any new car can do that, you don't need 306hp right? But that doesn't mean everybody will buy a kia. The fact that a woman is telling us to buy a lexus doesn't make much sense to me neither, specially when she's only focusing on the positive points of the car and probably drives a prius.
New design? It looks like something out of a video game and I can only imagine how ridiculous it will look in a couple years once the new models come out.
If lexus was such a great car I wouldn't be driving a bmw.
The fact that they took the time and money to justify buying their product while talking trash about bmw is just sad and desperate.

ft1330 · 01-09-2015, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Loft23

I think you just like getting ripped off by BMW. A lot of things should come standard nowadays but bmw nickel and dime you knowing that fanbois and people obsessed with the badge will find a way to afford one. A $30k 320i and the bare bones $199/month lease fleets devalues the brand when every Bob and Mary can afford one. But it's the opposite. Consumers like value and price has nothing to do with brand value. If you look at luxury brand values, BMW is MUCH higher than Ferrari and Porsche, which car would your rather own? BMW is making their fleet more and more accessible down market because all they care about is making more money. You should search for an interview with one of the BMW execs where the reporter asked if they are concerned about more BMWs being on the road and how that will hurt the brand's luxury cache. He flat out said he is not concerned and wants to see BMW as a mass producer of premium automobiles. They want to eat into Lexus' market share as much as possible. They don't care about you, just the bottom line.

I don't know how you could read so much into my 1 liner. All I'm saying is that when you present your brand as premium/luxury, like Lexus is doing to differentiate itself from Toyota, then the value is not supposed to be a marketing point. You don't see Louis Vuitton ads about how it's cheaper than Dior, do you? By making value a marketing point (actually the main marketing point in this particular video I should add), Lexus is employing marketing tactics of standard non-premium brands. This is a mistake, as is reflected by their market share in the premium segment.

335BOY · 01-09-2015, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by snowghost

I read a lot. Maybe you haven't.

I have too. Just about every manuf seems to be off on their ratings . I wonder what their +/- tolerance is? Do some make 290 and some 320? Everyone here loves talking about how their car makes more than advertised HP. Is there any reason a manufacturer would do that intentionally? I was in the Porsche factory years ago on my Honeymoon where they tested every engine before it went into a car. Any more than 1% hp + or minus and the engine didnt go in a car.

335BOY · 01-09-2015, 01:16 PM

Pretty closed minded group. There is a chance its pretty nice to drive you know. It WILL be more reliable too and service experience will probably be way better as well.

Blubaron79 · 01-09-2015, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 335BOY

Pretty closed minded group. There is a chance its pretty nice to drive you know. It WILL be more reliable too and service experience will probably be way better as well.

Meh.. Until the accelerator gets stuck.

USC2000 · 01-09-2015, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 335BOY

I have too. Just about every manuf seems to be off on their ratings . I wonder what their +/- tolerance is? Do some make 290 and some 320? Everyone here loves talking about how their car makes more than advertised HP. Is there any reason a manufacturer would do that intentionally? I was in the Porsche factory years ago on my Honeymoon where they tested every engine before it went into a car. Any more than 1% hp + or minus and the engine didnt go in a car.

It's not underrated, it's just that German horses are more powerful.

snowghost · 01-09-2015, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 335BOY

I have too. Just about every manuf seems to be off on their ratings . I wonder what their +/- tolerance is? Do some make 290 and some 320? Everyone here loves talking about how their car makes more than advertised HP. Is there any reason a manufacturer would do that intentionally? I was in the Porsche factory years ago on my Honeymoon where they tested every engine before it went into a car. Any more than 1% hp + or minus and the engine didnt go in a car.

Dunno, but remember how they understated the 323i's back in the day?

qballis · 01-09-2015, 02:25 PM

Interior of Lexus looks so dated. This ad makes me want to go buy a 435i.

BD SM3RF · 01-09-2015, 02:25 PM

They attempt to say the BMW sucks but the front grill of the Lexus literally looks likes it's been sucking on a giant lemon

BD SM3RF · 01-09-2015, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by USC2000

It's not underrated, it's just that German horses are more powerful.

Nows theres a line I wish I had come up with.

Lets not forget that they are also better looking

GodLy · 01-09-2015, 02:28 PM

"Fresh innovative look of interior..." in which part? It has interior made with hatchet!

Tx335i10 · 01-09-2015, 02:29 PM

B. please

Prissy · 01-09-2015, 02:30 PM

Of course you are going to pay less for a Toyota.

jon102034050 · 01-09-2015, 02:32 PM

Wtf did I just watch. That video was ridiculous.

mozilla4 · 01-09-2015, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Quakered

I think the young lady referred to it as a "sports coop!" isn't that where chickens live?

Umm... American video? We say Coop.

335BOY · 01-09-2015, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Blubaron79

Meh.. Until the accelerator gets stuck.

under an incorrectly installed floormat. That was proven to be the case.

3M TAPE · 01-09-2015, 02:33 PM

Lexus marketing teams should be fired immediately.
What a great start to promote Lexus products.
Also, that woman is so BMW owner.

nachob · 01-09-2015, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Falafel Combo

As a long time BMW fan and Lexus-dismisser, I found the video to be very informative. If I were in the market for a sports coupe, and Lexus offered a manual transmission, I would absolutely consider the Lexus after watching this video. Naturally aspirated? Standard non-runflats? Much premium feeling interior (slide temp control, touch activated dome lights, mousepad navigation, ...)? Cornering G sensors, to hold gears longer while cornering? Lexus LFA technology trickle down? Yes, yes and yes!

I find the looks un-objectionable. I actually like the new Lexus design language, but prefer the more conventional BMW design if I have to live with it everyday. But again, not a deal breaker. I like the design.

It all comes down to driving dynamics. If Lexus can compete on that, they have a very bright future. Which should not be that hard, as BMW have been conceding a bit much lately, in that department.

I don't like the foofie interiors so in the past I also would never consider Lexus but now that foofie is mandatory with idrive and all that other stuff there is less to separate them. for me also it comes down to driving dynamics but again the new ones are softer, queter and more isolated that again there is less real dynamism separating them. So basically it comes down to manual trans. Lexus doesn't offer it so they don't want my money. BMW still does but when they drop manual, there will be little reason left to not buy the cheaper more reliable Japanese alternative.

SamGh · 01-09-2015, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 335BOY

Pretty closed minded group. There is a chance its pretty nice to drive you know. It WILL be more reliable too and service experience will probably be way better as well.

Yeah, its easy to call those you dont agree with you close minded

I closed mindedly test drove the RC. You crank the engine, nice sound comes out... You are like holy.. I'm getting this car. Then you step on it... My literal next question from the sales guys: are you guys limiting the engine power for the test drive???

Then comes testing the hyped mark levinson sound... Ok, that name is sexy, but compare that to H/K in f32... dont! its just not there... Do you have surround view? No you dont, and you cant get it. Can you custom build your car? no sorry lexus dont do that, and so on and so forth.

Well, to be honest, I don't want to diss lexus, its a nice car, but even as BMW lost a little bit of chassis and ride character in f3x, it still beats lexus in performance and ride IMO. However, price is a big big advantage for Lexus.

335BOY · 01-09-2015, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by snowghost

Dunno, but remember how they understated the 323i's back in the day?

Couldnt have been by much! I had a 323ci but traded it after <2 years because it wasnt powerful enough. My first BMW and it was great.

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jair_onsa jairon2 20 Rep 237 Posts Drives: vt1-445 z4 MC- 14 335i M Sport Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: TX iTrader: (1)	I can see how this ad could get some people to buy a lexus, however, if you are buying a bmw in the first place, money should not be a great issue, one can always buy something cheaper and it will still take you from point A to B, any new car can do that, you don't need 306hp right? But that doesn't mean everybody will buy a kia. The fact that a woman is telling us to buy a lexus doesn't make much sense to me neither, specially when she's only focusing on the positive points of the car and probably drives a prius. New design? It looks like something out of a video game and I can only imagine how ridiculous it will look in a couple years once the new models come out. If lexus was such a great car I wouldn't be driving a bmw. The fact that they took the time and money to justify buying their product while talking trash about bmw is just sad and desperate. Last edited by jair_onsa; 01-09-2015 at 01:05 PM..
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335BOY Colonel 197 Rep 2,802 Posts Drives: 2017 SQ5 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Toronto iTrader: (0)	Pretty closed minded group. There is a chance its pretty nice to drive you know. It WILL be more reliable too and service experience will probably be way better as well.
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qballis Lieutenant 270 Rep 513 Posts Drives: G80 Comp xdrive Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Phoenix, AZ iTrader: (0)	Interior of Lexus looks so dated. This ad makes me want to go buy a 435i.
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jon102034050 Second Lieutenant 8 Rep 252 Posts Drives: 2014 335i xDrive Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: United States iTrader: (0)	Wtf did I just watch. That video was ridiculous.
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3M TAPE Banned 350 Rep 1,225 Posts Drives: M3 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: States iTrader: (0)	Lexus marketing teams should be fired immediately. What a great start to promote Lexus products. Also, that woman is so BMW owner.
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